Fried speakers - SVT 4 pro w/ SVT810e

[Downunderwonder]

The lack of auto volume control is a similar design error. Something that sends 240 volts to the guitarist every time bass player cocks his head to hear himself would be the ticket.

[ph0ngwh0ng]

Originally Posted by JimmyM

You have that exactly backwards. Guitar amps are always lower wattage than bass amps because you DON'T need as much wattage to get them as loud as bass. The lower the frequency, the more wattage it takes to amplify at a level of a higher frequency.

1. We are talking about bass speakers versus guitar speakers. Follow the thread.
2. Check the frequency response graphs. Pay attention to the sclaes on the left. Be aware that dB is log proportional to wattage.
3. Repent.

http://www.eminence.com/pdf/Legend_B810.pdf
http://www.eminence.com/pdf/Legend_1058.pdf

[guy n. cognito]

Originally Posted by ph0ngwh0ng

1. We are talking about bass speakers versus guitar speakers. Follow the thread.
2. Check the frequency response graphs. Pay attention to the sclaes on the left. Be aware that dB is log proportional to wattage.
3. Repent.

http://www.eminence.com/pdf/Legend_B810.pdf
http://www.eminence.com/pdf/Legend_1058.pdf

If it were me, I'd find it a bit hard to be smug when I just fried 7 out of 8 speakers in my cabinet due to abuse and user error. Just a bit of friendly advice.

[ph0ngwh0ng]

Originally Posted by guy n. cognito

If it were me, I'd find it a bit hard to be smug when I just fried 7 out of 8 speakers in my cabinet due to abuse and user error. Just a bit of friendly advice.

Yes, i erred. At least I figured out why using the brain my momma got me for my birthday. I posted back, neglecting any feelings of self pride left in me, so that someone who thinks about using designed-for-bass-speakers for playing guitar thinks twice about it, and you oppose to that nothing more than ordinary ********. Please.

[guy n. cognito]

Originally Posted by ph0ngwh0ng

Yes, i erred. At least I figured out why using the brain my momma got me for my birthday. I posted back, neglecting any feelings of self pride left in me, so that someone who thinks about using designed-for-bass-speakers for playing guitar thinks twice about it, and you oppose to that nothing more than ordinary ********. Please.

With all due respect, most of us didn't have to put too much thought into why you blew your speakers. 1600 watts maxed out with speakers not designed for the instrument being played or at the wattage being delivered. To borrow a phrase from the teens, that's really one of those "no duh" moments for most of us.

You gave the speakers way more power than they were designed to handle for an extended period of time. It's really pretty simple. You apparently didn't stop as, one after the other, the speakers failed (how could you possible not hear that?????)

You must either be deaf, or have some fantastic earplugs. I can't imagine how loud that was......until you fried you cab..

[JimmyM]

Originally Posted by ph0ngwh0ng

1. We are talking about bass speakers versus guitar speakers. Follow the thread.
2. Check the frequency response graphs. Pay attention to the sclaes on the left. Be aware that dB is log proportional to wattage.
3. Repent.

http://www.eminence.com/pdf/Legend_B810.pdf
http://www.eminence.com/pdf/Legend_1058.pdf

Well here's the deal...I have never blown a bass speaker in my life regardless of what instrument I've run through it (and yes, I've run guitar through my bass amps many times in my 35+ years of playing). You can't say the same, therefore, I'd tone down the smugtone if I were in your shoes.

[Mykk]

I run into this problem too. I blew the cone out of a 10 in an Ampeg 810E and I had a 10 freeze up in a Fender Pro 810.

My problem is the boosted lows. I love it when the bass makes the hairs on my arms stand up and my vision blurry (without distorting).

Practicing at home at low volume levels the bass knob is cranked max so I can still feel bass while playing quiet. The problem is when I'm looking for that same satisfaction at rehearsal and stage levels. A solution for me was using a dedicated self powered club sub woofer in my bass rig. This way full range through the bass cabs and serious lows through the sub.

[Mr. Foxen]

Originally Posted by Mykk

I run into this problem too. I blew the cone out of a 10 in an Ampeg 810E and I had a 10 freeze up in a Fender Pro 810.

My problem is the boosted lows. I love it when the bass makes the hairs on my arms stand up and my vision blurry. That being said, I pull the lows back when I begin to distort.

Practicing at home at low volume levels the bass knob is cranked max so I can still feel bass while playing quiet. The problem is when I'm looking for that same satisfaction at rehearsal and stage levels.

If you want lows, you are using the wrong cab. You are cranking the bass when its quiet to eq back in the lows the cab rolls off, plus there is some fun with the way your ears respond at varying levels, but mostly, you are eqing to equalise the deficiency of the cab.

[ph0ngwh0ng]

Originally Posted by JimmyM

Well here's the deal...I have never blown a bass speaker in my life regardless of what instrument I've run through it (and yes, I've run guitar through my bass amps many times in my 35+ years of playing). You can't say the same, therefore, I'd tone down the smugtone if I were in your shoes.

Well you haven't done it extensively at a "I would like to hear myself over the drums" volume. Please, feel free to do so and post about your actual experience. Maybe we can share a good laugh. And, thank you for suggesting I'm an idiot since your first reply to this thread (which didn't really bring anything new and logical about the matter, btw, so the sumgtone you can shove up your arse). Oh, and I feel pretty comfortable in my shoes right now.

[guy n. cognito]

Originally Posted by ph0ngwh0ng

Well you haven't done it extensively at a "I would like to hear myself over the drums" volume. Please, feel free to do so and post about your actual experience. Maybe we can share a good laugh. And, thank you for suggesting I'm an idiot since your first reply to this thread (which didn't really bring anything new and logical about the matter, btw, so the sumgtone you can shove up your arse). Oh, and I feel pretty comfortable in my shoes right now.

You had to run 1600 watts into 8 10s....just to hear yourself over the drums......??????

I run my amps and cabs at "I would like to hear myself over the drums" about 30 weekends a year. I've yet to blow a speaker. It's not that hard.

[ph0ngwh0ng]

Originally Posted by guy n. cognito

You had to run 1600 watts into 8 10s....just to hear yourself over the drums......??????

Check. The. Speaker. Specifications.

[guy n. cognito]

Originally Posted by ph0ngwh0ng

Check. The. Speaker. Specifications.

Yeah. I get it. You were using way too much wattage into a speaker not designed for the signal you were sending. It still must have been amazingly loud. 1600. Watts. 8. 10". Speakers. Loud.

[guy n. cognito]

My guitarist can hear himself just fine over our drummer with 30 watts and a single 12" speaker. Hmmmmmm.

[254 stringer]

I have this exact setup and I can play with the loudest drummers without even stressing the cab. Trust people who know you are doing it wrong.

[JimmyM]

Originally Posted by ph0ngwh0ng

Well you haven't done it extensively at a "I would like to hear myself over the drums" volume. Please, feel free to do so and post about your actual experience. Maybe we can share a good laugh. And, thank you for suggesting I'm an idiot since your first reply to this thread (which didn't really bring anything new and logical about the matter, btw, so the sumgtone you can shove up your arse). Oh, and I feel pretty comfortable in my shoes right now.

OK, but just remember I'm not the one buying new speakers for my 810. And all my life has been playing at an "I would like to hear myself over the drums" volume. I just know when to stop.

[Grateful]

There is an 81oe at our rehearsal space. I ran my 5 string through my SVT4 through through with a Mono Bridged cable once. Once. After goofing with the setting, the speakers would start farting out with the gain and master at 12 or beyond, with the eq flat and no graphic eq or ultra hi/lo.

I went single-amp/stereo mode after that, and there is still puh-lenty of volume to get over the drummer.

[Jeff Scott]

Here ya' go!

http://www.friedaudio.com/

[nubs]

ive played an SVT 4pro out of an 810 and 215. at extrememly loud volumes and i havent run into these issues although i will add my 4pro peak and limit lights are always flashing. the only way i can minimize that is by taking off that 10Db boost or whatever knob that is under the mute switch and then i gotta crank the master and gain to put me back in the range of volume i desire, i too am mono bridging. when i used an acitve bass like my Music Man for instance the lights were on all the time.....honestly i got sick of trying to figure this out and adjust it....i just go with it

[Ryan L.]

I owned, and gigged, a 4Pro for many years. I ran mine, mono bridged, into a 410HLF, then a 610HLF, and then an 810E at the end of my run using that head.

I played a LOT of very loud gigs with those setups back in the day, and never once blew a speaker, in any of the cabinets.

[Kmonk]

I once let a wll known bassist use my SVT4Pro and my cab because his band's equipment truck broke down. Not sure what he did but when he was finished he had blown all but one of my speakers. He didn't even offer to pay for the damage. I actually got rid of the 4Pro because it seemed to lack clarity.