Gallien Kreuger Official Club Part 7 - Page 19

scottfeldstein · #**361** 12-29-2012, 12:34 AM

I liked my MBX 410. Except the fact that it was a 410...heavy and boxy and too horizontal. Plus I got it used for like $200.

kleinenenten · #**362** 12-29-2012, 08:01 AM

Yeah, I'm looking for pretty cheap. I've already got my main rehearsal rig, but just want something to approximate that sound at home so I don't have to switch up all my effects etc. every time I go from home to rehearsal or vice versa. I know that this is a GK thread, but the cabs don't HAVE to be GK. I just heard that the BL600 gets a bad rap, and is actually pretty decent, and thought "Hey, those are pretty cheap." That's how this whole idea started for me.

Dredmahawkus · #**363** 12-29-2012, 11:14 AM

SO I just got my american deluxe jazz from a nice guy on here.....it is so hard to dial in a tone between all the EQ on the bass and all the EQ on the mbfusion! all you have to do it hit the deep switch then you have to EQ all over again. its is kinda driving me insane! I was turning knobs for 2 hours last night! I am not sure to leave the bass flat or leave the amp flat....all I know is if you want to do the volume all the way up and gain down with this new bass you have to turn the bass on the amp way down to like 9 o clock.

scottfeldstein · #**364** 12-29-2012, 11:27 AM

I have an active EQ on my bass and I tend to leave it flat. If I bump anything, the input level on my compressor goes wrong. If I cut anything, the guy on teh board goes "hey where'd your signal go?"

I like to set it and forget it as far as EQ. I leave the bass flat, dial my amp up the way *I* like it...then send a pre-EQ signal to the board so they can do whatever they want with it.

Also, remember: "flat" on your amp isn't truly flat. Every commercial bass amplifier has its own sound (or predetermined EQ). You may find that "flat" means turning the lows to 9 o'clock and the high mids to 2 o'clock, etc. Folks that have your particular amp model can probably tell you what flat is which will save you hours of listening.

Of course that may not help you get the sound you want, as most of us don't really want "flat" out of our amps.

pan1k · #**365** 12-29-2012, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by scottfeldstein

I have an active EQ on my bass and I tend to leave it flat. If I bump anything, the input level on my compressor goes wrong. If I cut anything, the guy on teh board goes "hey where'd your signal go?"

I like to set it and forget it as far as EQ. I leave the bass flat, dial my amp up the way *I* like it...then send a pre-EQ signal to the board so they can do whatever they want with it.

Also, remember: "flat" on your amp isn't truly flat. Every commercial bass amplifier has its own sound (or predetermined EQ). You may find that "flat" means turning the lows to 9 o'clock and the high mids to 2 o'clock, etc. Folks that have your particular amp model can probably tell you what flat is which will save you hours of listening.

Of course that may not help you get the sound you want, as most of us don't really want "flat" out of our amps.

Awesome info. I have a MM jazz. I usually leave it in passive mode with all the knobs up. And EQ from my amp. I recently started really experimenting with the contour knob as well. I usually run my gains at 1 o clock, treble at 10:30, upper at 4, lowered at 2 and bass At noon. I've been playing in a 5 piece rock band and this setting with y comp has allowed me to really stand out in the mix.

scottfeldstein · #**366** 12-29-2012, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by pan1k

treble at 10:30, upper at 4, lowered at 2 and bass At noon. I've been playing in a 5 piece rock band and this setting with y comp has allowed me to really stand out in the mix.

That midrange bump really does make you jump out. At least judging by that youtube video you posted a while back. Sounded great.

Dredmahawkus · #**367** 12-29-2012, 12:52 PM

Thats pretty much what I have done so far....leave it in active and leave it all flat.

the action is so low on this bass....I really like it this low but when I put the presence on my low E is really clanking. I am a little hard on the strings. I guess I am not used to it. I set my other jazz bass kinda high with really thick flatwounds. so its so different! I guess thats part of the fun finding the right tone. All I know is deluxe active US jazz with steel rounds and a MIM passive with 10% overwound lindy fralins and deep talking flatwounds are so different I have to totally change my amp settings when switching basses.....guess its a good thing the mbfusion has a A and B channel!

ksandvik · #**368** 12-29-2012, 01:32 PM

Clanking strings is really a personal preference, for example Steve Harris is known for his flatwound clanky setup but hey it works for Iron Maiden. My rule is that if it feels good to play and you could dial out some of the clanky sound with either tone knobs or EQ it is OK for me. Justifies for example me avoiding adjusting the rod the few times it rains here in California. And GK amps have plenty of dialing support.

jquinn86 · #**369** 12-29-2012, 08:11 PM

Hopefully you guys can help. I'm going to be buying a GK head in the next couple of days. I'm looking at either the 1001rb or an mb fusion. I've been renting a 1001rb over the holiday season as my swr was unreliable and I wanted a sure thing for Christmas season gigs. I've tried the mb fusion in the store and was very impressed with the tone. Havn't had a chance to A/B the heads yet, so I'm looking for some first hand experience. I play in a modern rock band and use some effects like comp/octave/overdrive. I also play in a couple of cover bands, top 40 and rock. Grindy tone is good, but I also am into fat warm tube tone. I gig 4-8 times a month so reliability is a big priority, tone would 2nd. Size and weight are not really an issue, I'd be racking either unit and havn't found the 1001rb to be heavy at all. Biggest difference I can see now is having preamp tubes for a nice post preamp DI signal. Not sure if it would be a big improvement over the 1001rb, but that is a big factor. 95% of my gigs are pa supported so any way to improve FOH tone is a must have. Anyway, I'll quit rambling and hopefully get some responses. Thanks!

jquinn86 · #**370** 12-30-2012, 02:15 PM

No advice?

scottfeldstein · #**371** 12-30-2012, 02:22 PM

I don't own either of them, but I'd say the fusion is right up your alley. It's got that GK punch, but has a tube preamp to get those fatter tones. But, again, I don't know from personal experience.

**Chef** · #**372** 12-30-2012, 04:20 PM

1001 v MBFusion:
The 1001 is "more vintage and more grind," to an extent.
The MBF is more modern voiced, and clean, to an extent.
I can make them sound very similar, I own and use both.

I have GK Neo cabs, so, one thing the 1001 does for me that the MBF doesn't, is the bi-amp/horn management system. You can crank the woofer power amp into some dirt, and the horn power amp stays clean.
To an extent, you can approximate this with the MBF by turning off the cab's horns, and turning on the bright switch.

I use the MBF the most, because in it's gig bag, with all the cables and tuners and such I need, it's just easier to move.
And, I mostly prefer the cleaner, more modern thing.

Your idea of the MBF having a fatter DI is probably somewhat true.

ksandvik · #**373** 12-30-2012, 05:04 PM

I think it's tough to get the saturated rails sound with MBF, the one you get when you play an RB really loud. Otherwise they operate pretty much within the same rage.

chadds · #**374** 12-30-2012, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ksandvik

I think it's tough to get the saturated rails sound with MBF, the one you get when you play an RB really loud. Otherwise they operate pretty much within the same rage.

Range?
Hey you might mean "rage".

chiron_griffin · #**375** 12-30-2012, 06:14 PM

In with MB210 and 115MBE

ksandvik · #**376** 12-30-2012, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by chadds

Range?
Hey you might mean "rage".

Yes, sorry my neural networks misfired (darn being a lefty) but you could get a rage tone out from a high gain RB, too.

jquinn86 · #**377** 12-30-2012, 06:55 PM

Thanks Scott and Chef for your input. Very much appreciated. I'm guessing reliability won't be an issue with the MBF. The RB I rented seems pretty bulletproof.

BassSurfer · #**378** 12-30-2012, 07:31 PM

Here is my rig at the moment (and hopefully forever)

A NEO 410 with a 700RBII. Loud, articulate, clean, grindy, soft... it does it all. Am totally loving my tone right now more than ever.

**Chef** · #**379** 12-30-2012, 08:19 PM

Dude^^^^I had an Ibanez Eagle like that as my first "real bass,'' waaaay back in the day.

Cool.

BassSurfer · #**380** 12-30-2012, 08:47 PM

Thanks Alan! It is the most comfortable and best sounding bass I have ever played for sure. It sounds GREAT through the GK too.