GB Neox 212T+ Neox 112T. What amp ?

jnewmark · #1 07-28-2011, 01:35 PM

I'm thinking about adding the 8 ohm Neox 112T to my 4 ohm Neox 212T for a 3x12 stack, and was wondering what the best amp setup to use. My first thought was the Carvin BX1500, which I could run at 2.67 ohms and get 750 watts, or run both channels seperately and get 300 into 8, and 450 in to 4, with seperate gain controls. Then I thought, I could get a power amp and maybe squeeze a little more wattage and set it up either way as the Carvin. Definitely want to stay lightweight on the amp side, so , it looks like the QSC PLX series, or the Crown XLS drivecore series. Also, should I daisy chain, or run seperately ? Anybody use this stack ? Any comments welcome.

kesslari · #2 07-28-2011, 01:41 PM

I'd recommend picking up a used Genz Benz NeoPak. 2 ohm capable, phenomenal sound, and you can get them cheap.
THAT would be a killin' rig.

bamabass · #3 07-28-2011, 01:43 PM

Could also look at the shuttleMAX 12

Overdrive777 · #4 07-28-2011, 01:44 PM

When I did that, I used my GBE1200. Massive power!!!

jnewmark · #5 07-28-2011, 01:48 PM

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When I did that, I used my GBE1200. Massive power!!!

How did you set it up ?

bamabass · #6 07-28-2011, 01:50 PM

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How did you set it up ?

From power amp to one cab to the other...it is 2 ohm stable...and HEAVY! But a killer head. 42 lbs without a rack...you could also go with a 750 which is also 2 ohm stable and 33 lbs

jnewmark · #7 07-28-2011, 01:53 PM

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From power amp to one cab to the other...it is 2 ohm stable...and HEAVY! But a killer head. 42 lbs without a rack...you could also go with a 750 which is also 2 ohm stable and 33 lbs

Thanks. I'm really wanting to keep this lightweight, in the 10-16 lb area.

bamabass · #8 07-28-2011, 01:59 PM

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Thanks. I'm really wanting to keep this lightweight, in the 10-16 lb area.

The the shuttlemax may be the head for you or the older NeoPak with the 2 ohm mod.

bamabass · #9 07-28-2011, 02:00 PM

You could also consider the eden WT550. 750 watts at 2 ohms

lomo · #10 07-28-2011, 02:02 PM

I haven't played it out yet, but just got these exact cabs and the M9 on top of them is.....well, probably illegal in most states, for all the right reasons :-))))))))))))
I was thinking of parting with the M9 'cause i don't "need" it, but not thinkin' that way so much any more.....

KJung · #11 07-28-2011, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jnewmark

I'm thinking about adding the 8 ohm Neox 112T to my 4 ohm Neox 212T for a 3x12 stack, and was wondering what the best amp setup to use. My first thought was the Carvin BX1500, which I could run at 2.67 ohms and get 750 watts, or run both channels seperately and get 300 into 8, and 450 in to 4, with seperate gain controls. Then I thought, I could get a power amp and maybe squeeze a little more wattage and set it up either way as the Carvin. Definitely want to stay lightweight on the amp side, so , it looks like the QSC PLX series, or the Crown XLS drivecore series. Also, should I daisy chain, or run seperately ? Anybody use this stack ? Any comments welcome.

ShuttleMax 12... done! Relatively equal wattage to all three drivers, one side running at 4ohm, one at 8, and a great voicing for those particular cabs.

RickenBoogie · #12 07-28-2011, 02:13 PM

If you end up with a single channel 2 ohm stable amp, it won't make any difference whether you run two spkr cables from the head, or daisy chain from one cab to the other. Both are exactly the same. Just thought I'd answer that part of the question, as it hadn't been yet. As to an amp, that's a personal preference thing, I'd go with the Mesa M9 myself, or maybe the BB750.

jnewmark · #13 07-28-2011, 02:18 PM

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If you end up with a single channel 2 ohm stable amp, it won't make any difference whether you run two spkr cables from the head, or daisy chain from one cab to the other. Both are exactly the same. Just thought I'd answer that part of the question, as it hadn't been yet. As to an amp, that's a personal preference thing, I'd go with the Mesa M9 myself, or maybe the BB750.

Sort of wondering about this. Would'nt be more advantageous to have level controls for each cab, as opposed to just one level control with the cabs daisy chained ? With a power amp, or two channel bass amp I would have this. Also,I intend on getting the little tilt up foot on the bottom of the 112 to tilt it up toward me.

KJung · #14 07-28-2011, 02:23 PM

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Sort of wondering about this. Would'nt be more advantageous to have level controls for each cab, as opposed to just one level control with the cabs daisy chained ? With a power amp, or two channel bass amp I would have this. Also,I intend on getting the little tilt up foot on the bottom of the 112 to tilt it up toward me.

Not really, since you have two cabs with the same driver design, similar tuning, and the correct impedance so that each driver will get the same amount of power, whether you go with a 2ohm solution or a 'dual mono' solution like the Shuttlemax12. The impedance of cabs will automatically adjust the volume balance between the two cabs... it will be like having a 312 cab. If the 212 was 8ohm, that would be a possibly different scenario.

I did not recommend the Mesa M9 due to it being over your weight requirement. That would be a nice option also in an absolute sense. Hard to beat the voicing of the Max's with those cabs though... lots of power, amazing EQ, variable voicing filters, etc.

jnewmark · #15 07-28-2011, 02:38 PM

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Not really, since you have two cabs with the same driver design, similar tuning, and the correct impedance so that each driver will get the same amount of power, whether you go with a 2ohm solution or a 'dual mono' solution like the Shuttlemax12. The impedance of cabs will automatically adjust the volume balance between the two cabs... it will be like having a 312 cab. If the 212 was 8ohm, that would be a possibly different scenario.

I did not recommend the Mesa M9 due to it being over your weight requirement. That would be a nice option also in an absolute sense. Hard to beat the voicing of the Max's with those cabs though... lots of power, amazing EQ, variable voicing filters, etc.

Yes, it does look good, although I really did'nt care for the Shuttle 6 or 9. I'm kinda tending toward the pre/power rig, only because watts are cheap in that scenario, and I've already got the preamp(s) for it.

KJung · #16 07-28-2011, 02:41 PM

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Yes, it does look good, although I really did'nt care for the Shuttle 6 or 9. I'm kinda tending toward the pre/power rig, only because watts are cheap in that scenario, and I've already got the preamp(s) for it.

I am also not a big fan of the 9 or 6. The Max heads are quite a different thing... much better EQ, variable filters, etc.

A pre and power amp is fine of course, but now you are looking at a three or four rackspace rig. These days, IMO, makes little sense, especially when the power of the Max12 will drive both those cabs to full performance.

jnewmark · #17 07-28-2011, 02:47 PM

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I am also not a big fan of the 9 or 6. The Max heads are quite a different thing... much better EQ, variable filters, etc.

A pre and power amp is fine of course, but now you are looking at a three or four rackspace rig. These days, IMO, makes little sense, especially when the power of the Max12 will drive both those cabs to full performance.

Yeah, there are tradeoffs, no doubt, but I already have the preamp and a shallow 3 space rack. Funny no one has mentioned the Cravin BX1500, ( besides me)which would give me close to what the cabs are rated at. Half the price of the GB.

lomo · #18 07-28-2011, 04:34 PM

I'm sure the Carvin would sound great as well, but IMHO the M9 is simply another level of ear candy. YMMV. Regardless, as Ken said, the 2 cabs marry well and do not fight or negate one another in any way. It's a more of a good thing thang. In my case, it's so rare that I'll need the 3 12s that it makes no sense.......but maybe the smile the stack puts on my face is reason enough?

jnewmark · #19 07-28-2011, 05:23 PM

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I'm sure the Carvin would sound great as well, but IMHO the M9 is simply another level of ear candy. YMMV. Regardless, as Ken said, the 2 cabs marry well and do not fight or negate one another in any way. It's a more of a good thing thang. In my case, it's so rare that I'll need the 3 12s that it makes no sense.......but maybe the smile the stack puts on my face is reason enough?

Yeah, it might be overkill for my Blues band gigs, but definitely not for my 7 piece, wedding/party band.

KsPiNeSh · #20 07-28-2011, 07:56 PM

Love the M6/M9 Carbines with my NEOX. Win.