GB Shuttlemax part II

[johndough247]

Hey has anyone here paired a Shuttle Max 9.2 or 12.2 with any of the Baer cabs (specifically the ML112)?

I currently running a 2 x Aguilar SL112 setup and it's good, but I'm looking for something that's just as light (don't mind the extra 10 lbs of the ML112) but has a thicker, full sounding low end...all signs have been pointing to the Baer's, especially since I'm not a fan of harsh sounding tweeters.

Just curious to see how some would describe the tone...I've heard one or two reviews with a Streamliner but not the ShuttleMax....thoughts?

[Saluki]

Originally Posted by johndough247

Hey has anyone here paired a Shuttle Max 9.2 or 12.2 with any of the Baer cabs (specifically the ML112)?

I currently running a 2 x Aguilar SL112 setup and it's good, but I'm looking for something that's just as light (don't mind the extra 10 lbs of the ML112) but has a thicker, full sounding low end...all signs have been pointing to the Baer's, especially since I'm not a fan of harsh sounding tweeters.

Just curious to see how some would describe the tone...I've heard one or two reviews with a Streamliner but not the ShuttleMax....thoughts?

Running shuttlemax 9.2 with the ML112s. Have a streamliner 900 too. I need a little more time to evaluate and I will get back with you. The ML12s are not going anywhere.

[johndough247]

Originally Posted by Saluki

Running shuttlemax 9.2 with the ML112s. Have a streamliner 900 too. I need a little more time to evaluate and I will get back with you. The ML12s are not going anywhere.

Good to know, looking forward to it...anybody else?

[svtb15]

Well I have found out that the Shuttle Max 9.2 does metal well..
Yesterday I did a gig with George Lynch ,guitar player from Dokken..What a nice guy.. Rehearsals with him were a challenge and fun.. I have not used speed picking in years.. whoa!
I used the backline's svt 810 cab with my ShuttleMax 9.2 head...and a VT bass pedal in front of it...I really didn't need the VT bass as i thought ... and the FOH guy was out was Van Halen and Van-Hagar for years.. He LOVED the DI out of this amp.... and had to get a closer look at what was under the hood in my small rack....

So rest assured that the SM 9.2 can do ROCK, Metal,R&B and POP and country... did I leave anything out?? lol

[KJung]

Originally Posted by svtb15

Well I have found out that the Shuttle Max 9.2 does metal well..
Yesterday I did a gig with George Lynch ,guitar player from Dokken..What a nice guy.. Rehearsals with him were a challenge and fun.. I have not used speed picking in years.. whoa!
I used the backline's svt 810 cab with my ShuttleMax 9.2 head...and a VT bass pedal in front of it...I really didn't need the VT bass as i thought ... and the FOH guy was out was Van Halen and Van-Hagar for years.. He LOVED the DI out of this amp.... and had to get a closer look at what was under the hood in my small rack....

So rest assured that the SM 9.2 can do ROCK, Metal,R&B and POP and country... did I leave anything out?? lol

Holy cow! Talking about getting out of a comfort zone and jumping into the deep end of a new pool I would have FOLDED. Sounds like great fun!

[svtb15]

Ive been blessed to go from 80s debbie gibson gigs to a foghats jams, dance to metal..... pop to metal and in between.. haha....
I will say , it was a physical challenge.. Something that is huge pile of fun! George has a really good sense of playing from the gut... I should be doing more gigs with him later this year.
I do a gig with Rusty Burns, who is a legendary southern rock , jazzy, Git player.. did euro dates with him.. He plays lefty.. upside down , backwards with fat strings on the bottom and skinny strings on top... Try to figure out what chord he is playing.. lol took me a while but i think i got it now..

[jhuss88]

Got a SM12.0 last summer as my first real rig. I went from 0-100 in two seconds. Love it, still trying to figure the puppy out. EQ wise I keep it pretty flat and use the low boost and mid cut filter to smooth out my sound. Love how it sounds with my active Franken-Jazz.

Question: I'm trying to put together some effects in a ultimate 12.0 rig. Basically what I wish to do (I think it's impossible) is run effects through one preamp, eq accordingly, and then send to one of the 6.0 poweramps. Wouldn't that be killer. Have a dry and wet signal coming out of separate cabs. Seems like Genz could make this a possibility.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by jhuss88

Got a SM12.0 last summer as my first real rig. I went from 0-100 in two seconds. Love it, still trying to figure the puppy out. EQ wise I keep it pretty flat and use the low boost and mid cut filter to smooth out my sound. Love how it sounds with my active Franken-Jazz.

Question: I'm trying to put together some effects in a ultimate 12.0 rig. Basically what I wish to do (I think it's impossible) is run effects through one preamp, eq accordingly, and then send to one of the 6.0 poweramps. Wouldn't that be killer. Have a dry and wet signal coming out of separate cabs. Seems like Genz could make this a possibility.

You are talking about a true stereo amp versus the dual mono design of the Shuttle 12, the WT800, etc. The only true stereo amps (i.e., with separate power amps for each of the two preamps) are the TecAmp Bonafide and the 'stereo' Walter Woods (not sure if he even offers that one any more).

Very little demand for that configuration, even though what you are trying to do makes sense.

[jhuss88]

Originally Posted by KJung

You are talking about a true stereo amp versus the dual mono design of the Shuttle 12, the WT800, etc. The only true stereo amps (i.e., with separate power amps for each of the two preamps) are the TecAmp Bonafide and the 'stereo' Walter Woods (not sure if he even offers that one any more).

Very little demand for that configuration, even though what you are trying to do makes sense.

I figured it wasn't possible. My inspiration comes from Reed Mathis, killer bass player. He has two rigs on stage and swells in the wet sound which is usually one octave up with a digitech whammy and then shreds all over the four string jazz while keeping his unaffected bass tone so the meat is still there. Watch this! (Warning: Rock content)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DAWlxK6kfI&t=2m10s

Anyway I could still run the effects through one of the preamps and have both running and swell in the wet signal with a volume pedal. He will use the volume swell to get a digitized violin sound from the bass. Proof:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEcsbcpNrAQ

[KJung]

Originally Posted by jhuss88

I figured it wasn't possible. My inspiration comes from Reed Mathis, killer bass player. He has two rigs on stage and swells in the wet sound which is usually one octave up with a digitech whammy and then shreds all over the four string jazz while keeping his unaffected bass tone so the meat is still there. Watch this! (Warning: Rock content)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DAWlxK6kfI&t=2m10s

Anyway I could still run the effects through one of the preamps and have both running and swell in the wet signal with a volume pedal. He will use the volume swell to get a digitized violin sound from the bass. Proof:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEcsbcpNrAQ

Chris Squire also used this approach, using the Ric-o-sound' or whatever that 'each pickup with a separate output' thing was called. He would run the neck pickup into one rig for clean volume, and the bridge pickup into another amp pushed to grind.

You can actually still get there reasonably well with effects with a blend control.

[Tunaman]

Shuttlemax 9.2 = best amp ever... that is all

[johndough247]

Has anyone ever used a ShuttleMax as strictly a power section with a Streamliner (I'm looking at the 600) as the preamp and EQ?

I've been looking for a warmer, all tube amp-like thickness to the sound, but want to retain the 1200W capacity of my SM...the Shuttle Max 12.2 with 2 Aggie SL112's are nice but not as warm and thick down low as I'd like...I thought about changing the cabs to ML112's (or just adding an ML112 to the current rig, making it a 3x12), but that would prove more costly for me (I'm not US based) than adding the streamliner to the chain. Couple additional questions:

1) Which road would in your opinion yield the thicker sound I crave: change the cabs, add an additional cab (ML112), or combine the Streamliner and Shuttlemax?

2) How would I rig this exactly? I'm guessing to take a XLR to 1/4" cable and run from Streamliner DI out (post EQ, line level) into Master receive (power amp IN) on the ShuttleMax.

3) Do the power sections of these amps significantly contribute to the overall tone and if so, are both power sections identical? I'm talking about the Streamliner's 600W Power amp compared to one amp from the SM 12.2 (also 600W).

[CTC564]

Why not a VT bass or Tone Hammer pedal?

[AmazingMumford]

Originally Posted by johndough247

Has anyone ever used a ShuttleMax as strictly a power section with a Streamliner (I'm looking at the 600) as the preamp and EQ?

I've been looking for a warmer, all tube amp-like thickness to the sound, but want to retain the 1200W capacity of my SM...the Shuttle Max 12.2 with 2 Aggie SL112's are nice but not as warm and thick down low as I'd like...I thought about changing the cabs to ML112's (or just adding an ML112 to the current rig, making it a 3x12), but that would prove more costly for me (I'm not US based) than adding the streamliner to the chain. Couple additional questions:

1) Which road would in your opinion yield the thicker sound I crave: change the cabs, add an additional cab (ML112), or combine the Streamliner and Shuttlemax?

2) How would I rig this exactly? I'm guessing to take a XLR to 1/4" cable and run from Streamliner DI out (post EQ, line level) into Master receive (power amp IN) on the ShuttleMax.

3) Do the power sections of these amps significantly contribute to the overall tone and if so, are both power sections identical? I'm talking about the Streamliner's 600W Power amp compared to one amp from the SM 12.2 (also 600W).

I've used both a 12.0 and a 9.2 as the power amp for other preamps--they work well. I can't really opine on Q#1 or #2, but, for Q#3, I believe that the power amps are the same across the GB line--the B&O ICEpower unit.

Not exactly what you're looking for (so it's not really an answer to Q#2), but you could split your signal to run to each amp's instrument jack, then run the EFX send from the Streamliner into the tube channel EFX return on the ShuttleMax--you'd be patching the Streamliner preamp into the place of the ShuttleMax tube preamp for FET/tube mixing purposes, and you could even run 3 x 600W (the SL speaker out not being the same signal, of course). Odd...but unique...and loud.

[fretwear]

Ok, so been told to check out the GB shuttles out so what is the main dif between the 9.0***9.2***max 9.2, for mainly finger style, passive 4 string, blues / jazz what should I look for?

Thanks

[dukeorock]

Originally Posted by fretwear

Ok, so been told to check out the GB shuttles out so what is the main dif between the 9.0***9.2***max 9.2, for mainly finger style, passive 4 string, blues / jazz what should I look for?

Thanks

The '.2' stuff is basically the latest and great version...I think they sound a bit better, personally

[KJung]

Originally Posted by fretwear

Ok, so been told to check out the GB shuttles out so what is the main dif between the 9.0***9.2***max 9.2, for mainly finger style, passive 4 string, blues / jazz what should I look for?

Thanks

The difference between the Shuttle 9 and 9.2 is quite subtle. A bit higher input gain level (allowing you to push the tube with a weak output bass if you want), a modification of the power management circuitry to provide a touch more oomph when pushed, and a subtle revoicing of the voicing buttons. Not a big deal IMO (ditto for the Shuttle 12 to 12.2).

The Shuttle Max 9.2 has always been the 9.2... there is no Shuttle Max 9.

The Shuttle 6.2 versus 6 is a BIG revision, since the original Shuttle 6 had a significantly rolled off low end that worked quite well with the little Shuttle cabs. Now, the 6.2 is just a lower powered 9.2... they sound almost identical.

[fretwear]

Thanks Ken, its safe to say any of those would work well, and be a step up from the LM lll. What is the gain of giong with the Max 9.2
Noticed it has aux in and headphones, other than that is there any benefit to be had?

[KJung]

Originally Posted by fretwear

Thanks Ken, its safe to say any of those would work well, and be a step up from the LM lll. What is the gain of giong with the Max 9.2
Noticed it has aux in and headphones, other than that is there any benefit to be had?

Are you talking about the Shuttle Max 9.2 versus the Shuttle 9.2? I want to make sure I understand your question.

[fretwear]

Yes, thinking about scraping the Markbass and going for a GB shuttle 9, 9.2, or the max 9.2.....just wondering about the + - of things before I jump. Getin wore out on the hunt want to make this one count.

Thanks