genz benz 6.0 ?

[SJan3]

This is perhaps the most ignorant statement I've read in a long while...

[Tvrtko]

Originally Posted by SJan3

This is perhaps the most ignorant statement I've read in a long while...

If you think about my statement - yes. I am pretty much ignorant to anyone's else opinion when it comes to amplification. I laugh when I see players on the stage with 10s or 12s only... But, I am too old to change. So, just live with it.

[Hobobob]

Originally Posted by Tvrtko

If you think about my statement - yes. I am pretty much ignorant to anyone's else opinion when it comes to amplification. I laugh when I see players on the stage with 10s or 12s only... But, I am too old to change. So, just live with it.

I'd love to see the look on your face the first time you see a Phil Jones cab.

[RickenBoogie]

Originally Posted by Tvrtko

If you think about my statement - yes. I am pretty much ignorant to anyone's else opinion when it comes to amplification. I laugh when I see players on the stage with 10s or 12s only... But, I am too old to change. So, just live with it.

You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. But, slamming spkrs based on thier diameter alone shows a depth of misunderstanding, that would be better kept to yourself, as it serves no purpose to help these young players out. Example, the SVT810 cab, which has been an industry standard for decades. Play what you like, and express your opinions if you feel the need, but try not to mis-lead the young and impressionable in the end.

[SJan3]

Originally Posted by Tvrtko

If you think about my statement - yes. I am pretty much ignorant to anyone's else opinion when it comes to amplification. I laugh when I see players on the stage with 10s or 12s only... But, I am too old to change. So, just live with it.

I don't understand your response. 10s and 12s have been around since the 60s. Original Fender Bassman, Ampeg B12 and who could turn a blind eye to the svt 8x10 cab? You're certainly entitled to your preferences but I think, by digging in your heels, you miss much.

[Pilgrim]

I have the same G-B 6.0. It is extremely loud, and I think you're doing a couple of things which are defeating your purpose.

First, I think your preamp setting is a big problem. I run my preamp gain at about 90% of max. I also run the preamp volume up very high. I like a tube sound, so you may not do this - but running either of these controls at noon is costing you a great deal of your preamp volume! Turn that puppy UP to at least 3:00 (@80% of maximum) and you'll gain a lot of volume.



Second, it would be good to go back to your owner's manual and read how the EQ works. I think a lot of people defeat their own purposes by not thinking through the functions of EQ and just randomly turning stuff on. Sounds like you may have done this by pushing all three buttons at once. Manual: http://www.genzbenz.com/img/manuals/...LE6_manual.pdf

With EQ, more is definitely NOT better. I seldom use the push-button EQ on mine, as I'm in a moderate volume band and the sound is wonderful without it. You should start without EQ, and add only ONE thing at a time. Never engage two or more EQ functions at once without having already tested them and determined that they will achieve the goal you desire.

You may benefit by using a little bit of EQ in the parametric section of the amp (the middle section), but that requires some thought about how it works. If you're not clear on that, do a bit of Internet research on using Parametric EQ.

Finally, I wouldn't go out and buy more speaker cabs until you have gotten the most out of your existing one. Raising the preamp gain and using the EQ more carefully are going to give you more volume at frequencies that make you more audible in the mix.

[Tvrtko]

Originally Posted by SJan3

I don't understand your response. 10s and 12s have been around since the 60s. Original Fender Bassman, Ampeg B12 and who could turn a blind eye to the svt 8x10 cab? You're certainly entitled to your preferences but I think, by digging in your heels, you miss much.

I tried different things. I believe 15" is the smallest bass speaker should be used. I don't care if I am the last human on the Earth who thinks that. Nobody ever complained about my sound, except once, we played some open air festival, that people from about mile away complained they are having headache from too much bass. So, I had to turn it down a bit. BTW, I always turn my mids way down. The only time that mids should be up little bit is when you play in trio, to fill up the frequency range and cover up solo instrument. But, that's me. Always, always got congratulations by guitar players and keyboard players for "tight sound" and powerful performance. I am an old-fashioned bass player and I will stay the same to the rest of my life. However, when this younger generations start complaining about lack of "power" I always laugh.

[2milehighspike]

Originally Posted by Tvrtko

If you think about my statement - yes. I am pretty much ignorant to anyone's else opinion when it comes to amplification. I laugh when I see players on the stage with 10s or 12s only... But, I am too old to change. So, just live with it.

Too old to change? By you're comments I would guess you're about 15 years old, if you are old act you're age, once a troll always a troll, 10's have been the standard since before you were born!

[Tvrtko]

Originally Posted by 2milehighspike

Too old to change? By you're comments I would guess you're about 15 years old, if you are old act you're age, once a troll always a troll, 10's have been the standard since before you were born!

Not to argue with someone who knows everything. Except, your guess about my age is of the wall. I guess with 54, I can be your father easily. Son. You need to work on your grammar a bit.

[agedhorse]

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Originally Posted by Tvrtko

There are no difficulty, except high expectations from equipment that is doing exactly what is supposed to do... You cannot expect anything from 10" speakers outside. I use 10" for my headphones.[/QUOTE

I sure see a lot of 410 cabinets outside...

Yes, all those poor players on the festival and shed tours stuck with using SVT cabinets for example

[2milehighspike]

Originally Posted by Tvrtko

Not to argue with someone who knows everything. Except, your guess about my age is of the wall. I guess with 54, I can be your father easily. Son. You need to work on your grammar a bit.

DOB 11/1/1958, You're immaturity is astounding friend, and that is all I have to say!

[Medford Bassman]

What a bonehead.

Seriously though, I suspect the fender rumble cab isn't that efficient. Anyone know for sure?

Also the EQ suggestions are good. I own a shuttle and use it with a neox212 cab. Uh...plenty loud when needed.

[Tvrtko]

Originally Posted by 2milehighspike

DOB 11/1/1958, You're immaturity is astounding friend, and that is all I have to say!

You are wrong. I am just no "likable" personality. Not that I am trying to be. That's why I decided long ago, I cannot be professional musician. I say what I think and I think what I say. It's called INTEGRITY. I don't make compromise about "stuff" just because I want people "like" me.

Scientific facts are on my side. Ask (well you cannot, he is dead now) mr. Gene Czerwinski. Ask yourself what means "dB in SPL " or dB/m.

Go get some education for relevant discussion.

BTW, it should be spelled "your" not "you're"

[Tvrtko]

Originally Posted by Medford Bassman

Seriously though, I suspect the fender rumble cab isn't that efficient. Anyone know for sure?

Sometimes ago, it was a little habit of manufacturers to publish that small fact about their products. That's not the case these days. It's all about advertising of Watts that can pass through "something" in split second that does not burn the thing and that's product to sell to uneducated populace. Than, later on, people find that's the crap. It's too late to go back and find the facts. So, it's much easier to stick with a "trusted" brands and spit on someone's head who knows the facts.

[Hobobob]

Originally Posted by Tvrtko

You are wrong. I am just no "likable" personality. Not that I am trying to be. That's why I decided long ago, I cannot be professional musician. I say what I think and I think what I say. It's called INTEGRITY. I don't make compromise about "stuff" just because I want people "like" me.

Scientific facts are on my side. Ask (well you cannot, he is dead now) mr. Gene Czerwinski. Ask yourself what means "dB in SPL " or dB/m.

Go get some education for relevant discussion.

Troll level: expert.

[agedhorse]

Originally Posted by Tvrtko

Scientific facts are on my side. Ask (well you cannot, he is dead now) mr. Gene Czerwinski. Ask yourself what means "dB in SPL " or dB/m.

Go get some education for relevant discussion.

Well, since I worked for Mr. Czerwinski back in the late 70's/early 80's, I think he would ask YOU to explain what you mean by "dB in SPL" or dB/m... since neither of which make any sense.

I do have the education for the relevant discussion BTW.

[Tvrtko]

Originally Posted by agedhorse

Well, since I worked for Mr. Czerwinski back in the late 70's/early 80's, I think he would ask YOU to explain what you mean by "dB in SPL" or dB/m... since neither of which make any sense.

I do have the education for the relevant discussion BTW.

Cool! I would like to know: How much dB can produce that 1000W (???) Fender 4x10 per 1 m distance from f range 10-2000 Hz? Do you know where to find that fact?

Help yourself here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound_p...pressure_level

That will solve most of this unnecessary rants here about WATTS and INCHES. Thank you.

[rapidfirerob]

I suggest everyone stop arguing with this guy. It's pointless.

[agedhorse]

You are mixing up two different specifications and what they mean.

There is a sensitivity spec. which is the SPL (in dB) at 2.83 volts into a nominal 8 ohm load (or 2.00 volts into a nominal 4 ohm load). This is called the small signal sensitivity model and is most commonly used when specifying sensitivity of a speaker. Now this spec means nothing without defining the boundery conditions that the loudspeaker is tested under (ie. full space, 1/2-space), the measurement bandwidth, signal type (peak or average) and how any averaging (if averaged) is defined.

There is also the maximum SPL spec. which is the maximum SPL under rated applied power into the specific load, but again this means nothing without defining the same conditions as above, plus specfically if this is a calculated number or one that takes into consideration power compression factors that are present in a real test. Most published maximum SPL tests are calculated and are essentially meaningless when comparing speakers.

All of this has noting to do with marketing watts, or marketing inches.

[Pilgrim]

Originally Posted by Tvrtko

I tried different things. I believe 15" is the smallest bass speaker should be used. I don't care if I am the last human on the Earth who thinks that. Nobody ever complained about my sound, except once, we played some open air festival, that people from about mile away complained they are having headache from too much bass. So, I had to turn it down a bit. BTW, I always turn my mids way down. The only time that mids should be up little bit is when you play in trio, to fill up the frequency range and cover up solo instrument.

[snip]

I am an old-fashioned bass player and I will stay the same to the rest of my life. However, when this younger generations start complaining about lack of "power" I always laugh.

I'm 62 and fairly old-fashioned, and I disagree with every point you attempted to make above. Realize that you're not in a position to give anyone advice on how to equip - other than to say that you like to do it your own way. Which - to give you full credit - you finally did.

I moved from an old Sunn Coliseum and single 15" cab to the same Genz-Benz amp owned by the OP which I play through a Shuttle 12" cab. That combination blows away the old system with the 15 I was using. For more power I add a Shuttle 2x10 cab and it will darn near knock the band off the stage. I play flats on just about all my basses, and I keep the mids up. Otherwise the bass tends to get lost in the mix.

If you've never owned or used a G-B Shuttle 6.0, you're not in a good position to respond to the OP. I own one and can compare its performance on a practical basis with 15" cabs and a few different amps I have used. You might note that Agedhorse is a G-B engineer who is tremendously helpful and a frequent poster here on TB, and arguing with him in a thread about Genz-Benz amps is not only fruitless, but a laughable exercise which will only reveal your ignorance. There is a lot of fact-based (not highly biased and purely opinion-based) information in this thread which does not assume that the only speaker cab for bass is the 15.

I think people who have moved on from the "15's are the only bass speakers" are in a better position to advise the OP. In your case, I think you just need to leave the thread as you haven't contributed a single helpful bit of information.