Genz Benz Max 12.0 Feet

[Greyfin10]

I'm rackmounting my new GB Max 12 and noticed the little feet aren't attached via screws... I've not yet received my rack mixer or my drawer, so this hasn't become an issue yet, but the fact that they even HAVE a rack kit suggests there's a way to solve this problem, yet I've not seen it in the manual or online.

Any thoughts?

[KsPiNeSh]

Just use a small flathead screwdriver and pop them out. They're held in there by a mushroom-like piece of rubber and come out relatively easily with no damage.

[Greyfin10]

Bam! Thank you!

That was a possibility, but I really didn't want to try it without knowing first. Thank you for peace of mind

[Greyfin10]

Well, it took a vice-grip for me, but still and all I'm glad I asked.

As an aside... even though I should have realized from the price point, having previously owned a Shuttle 3.0-10T, is it just me or is the build quality starting to slump a bit on GBs? I see the Shuttle Max 12.0 is made in Hong Kong (I could have sworn the 3.0 was made in Arizona, but I didn't really fixate on it), and everything just seems a bit less sturdy.

Ah well, it still sound great, and hopefully it'll hang together long enough to enjoy.

[agedhorse]

To clarify, ALL of the shuttles are made in the same facility by exacty the same people. There is no difference in quality levels between any of our models. Neither are made in Hong Kong, we have a facility in Taiwan located in one of the "high tech" districts. All products are designed here in the US, and we inspect, test and burn in each amplifier on the test bench in Arizona to be sure of the quality.

[xbrandonx]

Originally Posted by Greyfin10

Bam! Thank you!

That was a possibility, but I really didn't want to try it without knowing first. Thank you for peace of mind

I worried the same thing, I searched through the 30 pages on the 12.0 discussion thread to find that was the answer.

[KsPiNeSh]

Originally Posted by Greyfin10

Bam! Thank you!

That was a possibility, but I really didn't want to try it without knowing first. Thank you for peace of mind

Glad to help

[Greyfin10]

Originally Posted by agedhorse

To clarify, ALL of the shuttles are made in the same facility by exacty the same people. There is no difference in quality levels between any of our models. Neither are made in Hong Kong, we have a facility in Taiwan located in one of the "high tech" districts. All products are designed here in the US, and we inspect, test and burn in each amplifier on the test bench in Arizona to be sure of the quality.

Taiwan, yes (China of some stripe; I wasn't staring at the bottom of the amp as I typed the post). As I said it performs great and looks good, but somehow it doesn't feel as bulletproof as the Shuttle 3.0 10T I had (and sold, only because it wasn't enough amp for me). This may be simply due to the fact that this is a larger amp that is having every last ounce watched... or that it isn't sitting in the amp carriage and therefore doesn't have the advantage of that to "firm the chassis" up. Either way, my impression stands, even if it may NOT be backed up by any sort of real quality difference. I was sort of looking for impressions from other users.

Again, not saying I don't like the amp... you don't see me sending it back for damned sure.

Tone--> 10
Power--> 10
Flexibility --> 10
Apparent Build Quality --> 7

The 3.0 10T was a definite 10. It was the DEFINITION of a 10. So don't feel I'm slagging your product please.

[OshKoshJoash]

Strange, I find absolutely nothing wrong with the build quality of my Shuttlemax 12.

Could you be more specific about what the flaws are?

[Greyfin10]

Originally Posted by OshKoshJoash

Strange, I find absolutely nothing wrong with the build quality of my Shuttlemax 12.

Could you be more specific about what the flaws are?

First, let me reiterate that this is a somewhat subjective thing since I no longer own the 3.0 10t I'm comparing this to. Further, I'm having to be somewhat nitpicky to come up with specific examples. However, I didn't want to leave the question unanswered.

Three things, one of which I've already explained to myself, so I'll cover it first.

1 - There was a stiffness in the chassis for the 3.0 that was totally (in retrospect) due to being in the steel shelf built onto the 10t. So obviously this isn't a REAL issue, just a perception difference. I love the 6 lb weight of this unit, so trade-offs are inevitable. And I AM rackmounting this thing, which will address this in a similar manner (there'll be units above and below it, so it'll be snug).

2 - Pot knobs on the Max 12 flex more (i.e. don't feel as solid). Thinner face? Smaller gauge pot "posts"? My imagination? All possible, I'm not qualified to say more than this is my impression.

3 - Related to 2, a couple of the push buttons don't seem to plunge straight up and down but sort of "angle" a tiny bit.

And to repeat, these only stand out at all in comparison to my memory of the 3.0 so, they aren't glaring issues, just comparative and subjective ones. And your statement that you DON'T perceive anything different in this unit is the sort of thing I was originally looking for (either confirmation or disconfirmation either way).

[kesslari]

Originally Posted by Greyfin10

Taiwan, yes (China of some stripe; I wasn't staring at the bottom of the amp as I typed the post).

That's sort of like saying a MIM Fender is MIA.
Central America is America of some stripe, literally.
Entirely different country, culture, and economic and technology base, though. Same as Taiwan and PRC.

Back on topic, no build quality issues with either my Shuttle 6 or my NeoPak.

[Ukiah Bass]

You might try racking it this way. I left the feet on.

[mikeddd]

Everytime I see that pic I want to buy the rackmount kit for my Shuttle 6.0 and use it as a preamp with my QSC GX5. Note I didn't say I need to do this but want to do this. It just looks...gearheady. Me likey.
You give me GAS, Ukiah Bass.

On Topic: I've only had the 6.0, no earlier/later models to compare to, but so far my USED Shuttle 6.0 has given me zero probs or cause for alarm. PLUS, thanks to Agedhorse's help/recommendation, Jeff Genzler himself let me have the remainder of the two-year factory warranty on my used amp. How's that for service?

I wouldn't be too worried about the quality of your amp, OP. It's a quality piece to begin with, plus GB has superior customer service should something go wrong.

[Ukiah Bass]

Originally Posted by mikeddd

Everytime I see that pic I want to buy the rackmount kit for my Shuttle 6.0 and use it as a preamp with my QSC GX5. Note I didn't say I need to do this but want to do this. It just looks...gearheady. Me likey.
You give me GAS, Ukiah Bass.

Do it. You can never have enough power.

[mccartneyman]

I've been using GB amps for eight years. I'm on my third model now after starting out with the old slanted 210 combo. I have detected no drop in quality or workmanship; in fact, I think they're better now.

[agedhorse]

Originally Posted by Greyfin10

2 - Pot knobs on the Max 12 flex more (i.e. don't feel as solid). Thinner face? Smaller gauge pot "posts"? My imagination? All possible, I'm not qualified to say more than this is my impression.

3 - Related to 2, a couple of the push buttons don't seem to plunge straight up and down but sort of "angle" a tiny bit.

To clarify, the pots, the chassis thickness, the material, the facplate trim, the switches, everything is exactly the same (idnetical parts) between models.

Just want to be sure this doens't turn into an urban rumor.

[Greyfin10]

Well you know, my first reaction to your quick reply was that you were trying to counter me, but the more I thought of the time and effort required for this type of responsiveness, I decided I liked it after all. Thanks for caring so much about your reputation. I have no doubt it is carried through into your products.

Originally Posted by agedhorse

To clarify, the pots, the chassis thickness, the material, the facplate trim, the switches, everything is exactly the same (idnetical parts) between models.

Just want to be sure this doens't turn into an urban rumor.

[RDT]

In regards to the OP.

If you mount it on the bottom of your rack, leave the feet on...it'll help support the unit.

[agedhorse]

Hey, no problem Greyfin. Not countering you, but lots of folks read this stuff and then it gets all "internet twisted" into bizarre urban myths and rumors. I know you can appreciate this.

All of us involved at GB have a good part of our lives intertwined in these products, we are always analyzing, researching, learning about new technologies and testing, testing, testing to deliver to you players the best product we possibly can. If our "sound" isn't your sound, that's ok but for those who buy our product we are doing our best to make an amp/speaker that will work well for a very long time, and we put our money where our mouth is by backing it up with a 3 year TRANSFERRABLE warranty. The only way we can do this is to design and build it right from the start. You have my personal word on this.

Originally Posted by Greyfin10

Well you know, my first reaction to your quick reply was that you were trying to counter me, but the more I thought of the time and effort required for this type of responsiveness, I decided I liked it after all. Thanks for caring so much about your reputation. I have no doubt it is carried through into your products.