Genz Benz Shuttle 9.2 Thread

[Red Planet]

OK so I have a taken a look see at this new little baby and it has my interest peaked.

Quoted from FB


Introducing the 2nd Generation of our Popular High-Powered SHUTTLE® and SHUTTLE®MAX Amplifier Designs

New 3DPM™ Circuitry for Increased Headroom and “Bigger” Output

Our Proprietary 3DPM™ Also Provides More Heft and Girth to the Individual Bass Notes
...
More, Available Tube Gain for Improved Tonal Versatility (STL9.2)

Enhanced Cosmetics


So what is the "More Axailable Tube Gain"? Hotter signal/more db?

I did not see the "enhanced cosmetics" on the 9.2. Is that just on the 12.2?

[Red Planet]

BTW not talking about the Max 9.2.

[agedhorse]

There is more gain available in the last 20% of the gain control rotation.

Different color anodized panel, knob refinements, slight silk screen refinements, etc.

[Red Planet]

Originally Posted by agedhorse

There is more gain available in the last 20% of the gain control rotation.

Different color anodized panel, knob refinements, slight silk screen refinements, etc.

If I set both the Preamp Levels at noon they would be the same as the original Shuttle 9.0?

Pic?

[svtb15]

Absolutely LOVING my MAX 9.2 amp... Its loud enough to do a large gig yet light enough to do a coffee house without too much schlepping.. But the new GB Contour Combo has my eye for any small gigs.. I have not had or used a combo in YEARS.. but this one looks promising...

[Red Planet]

These guys are always coming up with cool gear.

Now back to the Shuttle 9.2

Here is the Pic from facebook but I cannot see any difference in look. Not that it looks bad to start with.

[Red Planet]

Here is the 9.0.

[jnewmark]

Well, right of the bat, the 9.2 has lines on the knobs, instead of the dots. The Master section of the 9.2 has " Peak " at the top, the 9.0 has " limit ".

[KJung]

FYI, the changes to the 9.2 from the 9 are pretty subtle.... a touch different voicing of the voicing buttons, a touch more gain capability with the gain control for overdriving, and the updated power management.

IMO, there would be little reason for an owner of the 9.0 to upgrade to the 9.2. Just a nice subtle upgrade.

The Shuttle 12 is a similar subtle upgrade to the 12.2, and the look has changed to match the format of the Max 9.2 and Shuttle 9.2

The big change is the 6.2, which has a different look, and quite a different low end voicing, making it more like a lower powered Shuttle 9.2 versus the quite different sounding 6 versus 9. (edit: The Shuttle cabs have been beefed up also.... much more booty than the originals, and a nice new look to match the new 6.2 graphics and color).

So, for the 9 and 12 series, just a nice subtle update for potential new buyers, without in any way making the Max 12 or the Shuttle 9 obsolete.

The Streamliners and Max 9.2 remain the same. I believe the Shuttle 3 remains in the product line unchaged. The Max 6 is discontinued.

FYI.

[agedhorse]

This is correct.

Originally Posted by KJung

FYI, the changes to the 9.2 from the 9 are pretty subtle.... a touch different voicing of the voicing buttons, a touch more gain capability with the gain control for overdriving, and the updated power management.

IMO, there would be little reason for an owner of the 9.0 to upgrade to the 9.2. Just a nice subtle upgrade.

The Shuttle 12 is a similar subtle upgrade to the 12.2, and the look has changed to match the format of the Max 9.2 and Shuttle 9.2

The big change is the 6.2, which has a different look, and quite a different low end voicing, making it more like a lower powered Shuttle 9.2 versus the quite different sounding 6 versus 9. (edit: The Shuttle cabs have been beefed up also.... much more booty than the originals, and a nice new look to match the new 6.2 graphics and color).

So, for the 9 and 12 series, just a nice subtle update for potential new buyers, without in any way making the Max 12 or the Shuttle 9 obsolete.

The Streamliners and Max 9.2 remain the same. I believe the Shuttle 3 remains in the product line unchaged. The Max 6 is discontinued.

FYI.

[Red Planet]

Originally Posted by agedhorse

There is more gain available in the last 20% of the gain control rotation.

Different color anodized panel, knob refinements, slight silk screen refinements, etc.

So like everyone else you were talking about the whole line. I was just talking about the Shuttle 9.2. So no different color anodized panel.

Yeah I caught the subtle differences I was trying to see the color difference. Hard to see it when it ain't there.

[Red Planet]

I agree with Ken. No reason to chunk your 9.0 and get a 9.2.

Though perhaps a reason to get a second if you want two.

[svtb15]

Don't forget the Chrome Fan Guard on the .2 version

[agedhorse]

Originally Posted by Red Planet

So like everyone else you were talking about the whole line. I was just talking about the Shuttle 9.2. So no different color anodized panel.

Yeah I caught the subtle differences I was trying to see the color difference. Hard to see it when it ain't there.

Correct, specifically with the Shuttle 9.2. Each model got little upgrades, some cosmetic, some performance, some just small internal things. I agree, it's hard to generalize where changes are not identically implimented because some later models like the Shuttle 9.0 already received the different faceplate versus the 6.0 for example. My appologies.

[Red Planet]

Originally Posted by agedhorse

Correct, specifically with the Shuttle 9.2. Each model got little upgrades, some cosmetic, some performance, some just small internal things. I agree, it's hard to generalize where changes are not identically implimented because some later models like the Shuttle 9.0 already received the different faceplate versus the 6.0 for example. My appologies.

On another note. Where do you guys buy those knobs. I need to be making them that is what I do. I have some Swiss Machines that are begging to make something like that.

[carbonfold]

I've heard what the upgrades are to the 9.2 but has anyone put a ear on it yet? I loved the 9.0 but wished it was a bit more tubey. Would we say the 9.2 is closer to this?

[KJung]

Originally Posted by carbonfold

I've heard what the upgrades are to the 9.2 but has anyone put a ear on it yet? I loved the 9.0 but wished it was a bit more tubey. Would we say the 9.2 is closer to this?

If you want more tubey, the Streamliner is for you. The key difference between the Shuttle 9 and 9.2 is the new power management which gives it a bit more kick down low when pushed, a slight revoicing of the voicing buttons, and a different gain taper that allows you to push the tube pre into all out distortion if that is your thing.

The basic tone of the amp is the same.

[carbonfold]

I really liked the 9.0 when I had it but I either was running the Fuzzrocious Dark Driving or Durham Sex Drive all the time to get where I wanted to go.

My fear with the Streamliner is that I may lose that punch and cut I had from the 9.0 I got praised for. The only think I fought with the 9.0 is to give it more tube edge.

Originally Posted by KJung

If you want more tubey, the Streamliner is for you. The key difference between the Shuttle 9 and 9.2 is the new power management which gives it a bit more kick down low when pushed, a slight revoicing of the voicing buttons, and a different gain taper that allows you to push the tube pre into all out distortion if that is your thing.

The basic tone of the amp is the same.

[jnewmark]

Originally Posted by KJung

If you want more tubey, the Streamliner is for you. The key difference between the Shuttle 9 and 9.2 is the new power management which gives it a bit more kick down low when pushed, a slight revoicing of the voicing buttons, and a different gain taper that allows you to push the tube pre into all out distortion if that is your thing.

The basic tone of the amp is the same.

On the 9.0, I was hitting the Limit light in the " Master Section " quite a bit, at what I would call reasonable volume, especially popping the G string, and hitting the low F on my E string. I wonder if the new power management system alleviates this ?

[KJung]

Originally Posted by jnewmark

On the 9.0, I was hitting the Limit light in the " Master Section " quite a bit, at what I would call reasonable volume, especially popping the G string, and hitting the low F on my E string. I wonder if the new power management system alleviates this ?

That light coming on only indicates that the power management system is engaged, and does not indicate clipping or hard limiting. Zero issue. I assume you didn't hear any compression of noticable change in performance when the power management light came on. Very different system than the more 'hard limiting' of the Markbass heads, Thunderfunk, etc.

That being said, I've yet to hit the limiting on my Streamliner or Max 9.2, at the loudest volumes I would ever play (Edit: actually did hit the limiting circuit briefly when cranking the Streamliner into an 8ohm 15/6 in a volume comparison with the Mesa M6... it kept up quite well).

I do have relatively controlled technique though, and I'm sure if I really hit the strings HARD I could probably pop some peaks in there that would result in limiting.