Genz Benz Shuttle 9/Shuttlemax 12 (I need suggestions)

[Reviz]

I would like to buy a Shuttle 9 or a Shuttlemax 12.
In each case, I will use the amp that I will buy with my Epifani UL2 112 cab. I will use the amp only in 8ohm mode.

I really need to know from who uses this amps (or also the Shuttle 6) if the 375 watt are sufficient for almost all the situation.

I have a yellow (first series) Marbass Little Mark and his 280w @ 8ohm have been always enough.

Can someone do a comparison with MB watts ?

I'm hesitant because I'm evaluating if could be better to buy a Shuttle 9.
Yes, it deliver many watt respect the cab, but this means that I will always have a clean tone, also at louder volumes, if I need it.

I need impressions/suggestions.

Regards to everybody.

[svtb15]

If you are going to use only one cab at 8 ohms.. Personally i would get the Shuttle 9.. I did a gig last night with one 8 ohm cab (gb Uber 1288) with my shuttle 9 and it rocked.. The amp was putting out 500 watts.
The Shuttle 9 has more than enough EQ for my liking....
Also depending on the output of your bass , yo may be able to get some tube overdirve,, That is one thing the Shuttle MAX series does well.. It can do Uber clean with the FET channel... or dirty as a fuzz box with the Tube if you hit it hard enough... Otherwise the TUBE channel will do clean...
One thing you may want keep an eye open for is the New yet to be released ShuttleMAX 9.. coming out after NAMM next week...
It has the front end of the MAX 12 but the power of the Shuttle 9... sweeet

[KJung]

If you only plan to use a single UL112, then the Max 12 makes no sense, since you would be paying for an extra power amp you would never use.

The UL112 has high sensitivity, and as you found with your MB head, the 300 or so watts is plenty to drive that particular cab to full power. If you want more EQ power and lots of tonal variation, the Max 6 would be awesome. If you want small size, I would go with the Shuttle 9, not so much for the extra power, which that cab can't really use, but for the more full voicing in the low end that will get you closer to the low end of the Markbass head versus the original Shuttle 6, which is brighter up top and thinner down low than eithe your MB head, or the Max 6 or the Shuttle 9.

[12bass]

Also, if the extra preamp flexibility is desirable, the ShuttleMax 9.0 is being released in the next few weeks.

[Reviz]

Thanks to everybody.

I have not listed the Shuttle 6 in the topic title because I need the low end of the Shuttlemax 12/Shuttle 9 (also Suttlemax 9 I suppose).

The Shuttlemax 12 makes sense because it works as a fully backup; however, it's not important if i will buy a Shuttlemax 6 or Shuttlemax 12.

I need a discussion of the power of the 6/12 versus the power of the 9, both used @ 8ohms.

I think that one day I could buy another Epi 1x12, but I'm not sure, I don't need it now.
However, the main usage of the head will be always at 8ohms because I plays rarely in big places.
I play often in small places and a single 1x12 it's enough.
I also have an old Carvin 4x10 (600w@8ohm) for outdoor live on big stages but I don't use it often.

If the Shuttle are loud like the MB (I never needed more than 280 markbass watts) I can consider the Shuttlemax 6/12, otherwise, if the limiter tricks soon or the volume could not be enough at 8ohms, I will buy a Shuttle 9 or the "future" Shuttlemax 9.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Reviz

Thanks to everybody.

I have not listed the Shuttle 6 in the topic title because I need the low end of the Shuttlemax 12/Shuttle 9 (also Suttlemax 9 I suppose).

The Shuttlemax 12 makes sense because it works as a fully backup; however, it's not important if i will buy a Shuttlemax 6 or Shuttlemax 12.

I need a discussion of the power of the 6/12 versus the power of the 9, both used @ 8ohms.

I think that one day I could buy another Epi 1x12, but I'm not sure, I don't need it now.
However, the main usage of the head will be always at 8ohms because I plays rarely in big places.
I play often in small places and a single 1x12 it's enough.
I also have an old Carvin 4x10 (600w@8ohm) for outdoor live on big stages but I don't use it often.

If the Shuttle are loud like the MB (I never needed more than 280 markbass watts) I can consider the Shuttlemax 6/12, otherwise, if the limiter tricks soon or the volume could not be enough at 8ohms, I will buy a Shuttle 9 or the "future" Shuttlemax 9.

IMO and IME, the Shuttle Max 6 head performs equally to the 500 watt series Markbass heads at 8ohms and 4ohms, and would be plenty to drive one or two 112UL's to full performance. With two 8ohm cabs, the Shuttle Max 12 pulls ahead a bit (about 150 more watts than the Max 6 running at 4ohms). If you aren't really on a budget, I'd get the Shuttle 9 or the Max 9.... what the heck... you'd have all you would ever need with one or two 112UL's, and you would just need to watch the master volume knob a touch.

[agedhorse]

Not commenting on this cabinet specifically, but with any single 12 cabinet and especially a compact cabinet, you will want to use a little care and common sense with an amp as powerful at the Shuttle 9.0 which delivers over 500 watts at 8 ohms. Almost all compact single 10" and 12" cabinets are limited in their real power handling capabilities at low frequencies and we would hate to see you unknowingly damage your speaker.

The problem is that compact cabinets (especially) can not support high power levels at low frequencies for mechanical reasons and the 300 watt nominal rating may only be 150 watts at 40Hz, and maybe only 75 watts at 30Hz. This is especially important slapping and popping with a 5 string.

With the Shuttles, if you plan on driving a relatively compact cabinet really hard, leave the LF Extend (Boost) switch out, which will help protect your driver better against accidental mechanical damage. If you later decide to use the Shuttle with a larger cabinet you can engage the LF Extend function which slides the internal HPF down about 1/6-octave.

At reasonable volumes, the Shuttle 6 with the LF Extend engaged on your 112 will be very similar to the 9.0 with the LF Extend disengaged. The differece is small but as you get down significantly below the tuning of your cabinet, the mechanical excursion increases greatly, hence my caution.

Just a FYI note.

[BassIsBoss]

The Shuttle 9 is great. The Genz lads really nailed the tone balance with this small bad boy. And yes, the LF boost should be treated with respect....it can melt more than your heart.