Genz NAMM products...we must be close to an announcement?

Musicman20 · #1 12-14-2011, 05:52 AM

Genz are great in that they always have their products ready for launch, but I'd love to know exactly what we have in store for Jan 2012.

Last year we had the Streamliner announced around this time....

I'm on tenter hooks as to whether to get a Shuttle 9.0 in the sale or wait it out for a new version....if its coming!

KJung · #2 12-14-2011, 06:02 AM

I'm hoping it is soon. I'm in the market for a modern sounding amp with significant power at 8ohms as a buddy to my Streamliner900 for my soon to be delivered Art of Sound 15/6 (hopefully soon after NAMM).

The new Puma900 is shipping, and is much less expensive than I would have thought. However, I am hoping that Genz announces some sort of Shuttle size new product, and will wait for my purchase until I can check one out at NAMM. The awesome thing about Genz is that the product will definitely be at retailiers close to the announcement date.

The upcoming GK MBFusion800 sounds like it might be cool, but my guess is we are the typical 1 year away from announcement to actual production.

The new Glock lightweight looks cool also, but that will be very pricey, and might not be the punchy tone I'm looking for (based on my previously owned Heartrock).

Lots of interesting stuff coming out, but I'm most excited about the possibility of a new, high powered micro from Genz

Tunaman · #3 12-14-2011, 06:34 AM

I did the only sane thing... order a 9.2 & if the product release is meh I keep it, if its a big wow I'm within the 30 days... thats sane right?
HA!
Come on Genz! Dont be that guy... show us the goods!.... that came out wrong

Musicman20 · #4 12-14-2011, 10:04 AM

Haha, id love a 9.2....but I don't want to quite spend that much (they are fairly expensive in the UK) plus I dont need the two channels....just a simple 3EQ with semi para mids....waiting for the Shuttle update! Cmon Genz :P

bassclef04 · #5 12-14-2011, 10:57 AM

The Puma900 looks interesting, but like you guys I'm on the sideline waiting for Genz :-)

KJung · #6 12-14-2011, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by bassclef04

The Puma900 looks interesting, but like you guys I'm on the sideline waiting for Genz :-)

I talked with Glenn at Austin Bass Traders about the Puma900. Since Puma went with the ICE power modules, the price has really come down (and the tone has changed a bit... much closer to my F500). The Puma900 does not have a fan, and like the old SWR, uses the chassis as a heat sink, so it is reported to run really hot by design.

Rational or not, that pretty much dropped it from my list (at least until its been out there for 6 months or a year to see how it holds up). The Powersoft era of the Puma's was quite special (super deep, creamy, smooth, crystal clear). That tone profile was great for some, but I ended up prefering the slightly tighter, rougher tone of the F500 myself. Interestingly, the Puma900 might just be that long sought after high wattage F1/F500.

I have my 'tube' thing covered for that big 8ohm cab with the Streamliner. I don't dig the GK stuff much at all (although I could live with the Fusion, but I think the 800 is many months away from being a reality).

So, Genz has my focus if they come out with a 'Shuttle 9' type box that is more to my tonal taste than the current model! We shall see!

bassclef04 · #7 12-14-2011, 11:12 AM

Not having a fan on the puma900 pretty much took it off my list as well, I'll see how it holds up down the line. I'm also interested in the new EBS Reidmar 250 watts.

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Originally Posted by KJung

I talked with Glenn at Austin Bass Traders about the Puma900. Since Puma went with the ICE power modules, the price has really come down (and the tone has changed a bit... much closer to my F500). The Puma900 does not have a fan, and like the old SWR, uses the chassis as a heat sink, so it is reported to run really hot by design.

Rational or not, that pretty much dropped it from my list (at least until its been out there for 6 months or a year to see how it holds up). The Powersoft era of the Puma's was quite special (super deep, creamy, smooth, crystal clear). That tone profile was great for some, but I ended up prefering the slightly tighter, rougher tone of the F500 myself. Interestingly, the Puma900 might just be that long sought after high wattage F1/F500.

I have my 'tube' thing covered for that big 8ohm cab with the Streamliner. I don't dig the GK stuff much at all (although I could live with the Fusion, but I think the 800 is many months away from being a reality).

So, Genz has my focus if they come out with a 'Shuttle 9' type box that is more to my tonal taste than the current model! We shall see!

KJung · #8 12-14-2011, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by bassclef04

Not having a fan on the puma900 pretty much took it off my list as well, I'll see how it holds up down the line. I'm also interested in the new EBS Reidmar 250 watts.

That head is also surprisingly low cost, given the rest of the EBS line. The large size and low power has that one off my list, but I assume it sounds similar to the HD350, which is a cool sounding, uber modern voiced head. Great for slappers and the Gospel guys.

I will be keeping my eye on the Glock lightweight also. If that is discounted to a reasonable (if high price) in the US (list is around $2,000, so I assume a selling price of around $1,600) that might be a pretty good, if not particularly small option for the 'Mr. Money Bags' crowd

I'm going to bug Agedhorse into spilling the beans on the new Genz line-up.

Musicman20 · #9 12-14-2011, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by KJung

I'm going to bug Agedhorse into spilling the beans on the new Genz line-up.

:P

KJung · #10 12-14-2011, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Musicman20

:P

He already bounced me back and said Roger would have to kill him and then me if he let the cat out of the bag. He did say the new amps will be ready to ship before NAMM (I love these guys), so my guess is, we TBers will get a sneak peak before NAMM. If not, I promise I will send back info from NAMM when I make my way to the booth on Friday or early Saturday.

I have my Talkbass App all loaded up on my shiny new iPhone!

stflbn · #11 12-14-2011, 12:23 PM

I wish videos from NAMM would have actual decent quality audio rather than ambient thin twiddling.

KJung · #12 12-14-2011, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by stflbn

I wish videos from NAMM would have actual decent quality audio rather than ambient thin twiddling.

If you've ever been to NAMM, you would find out that even trying any amps, much less recording, is a waste of time. You are strictly volume limited within any one booth, in a huge, boomy room, engulfed in a massive amount of ambient noise.

NAMM is the place for checking out basses unplugged, and seeing, lifting, feeling gear and checking out specs and meeting the guys involved in running the compaines.

I'm not even bothering to bring a recorder. I will bring a camera though.

The other frustrating thing is that, unlike the Genz guys, there is lots of stuff shown in booths by companies that will either never see the light of day, or that won't be introduced for a year, etc. So hard to determine what is actually real, and if real, when it will be avialable.

jjk2007 · #13 12-14-2011, 01:22 PM

Hey Ken, I'm planning to be there on Friday and Saturday as well. I'll have my iphone ready to go too.

LeonD · #14 12-14-2011, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KJung

He already bounced me back and said Roger would have to kill him and then me if he let the cat out of the bag.

And your point is?

B String · #15 12-14-2011, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by KJung

If you've ever been to NAMM, you would find out that even trying any amps, much less recording, is a waste of time. You are strictly volume limited within any one booth, in a huge, boomy room, engulfed in a massive amount of ambient noise.

NAMM is the place for checking out basses unplugged, and seeing, lifting, feeling gear and checking out specs and meeting the guys involved in running the compaines.

I'm not even bothering to bring a recorder. I will bring a camera though.

The other frustrating thing is that, unlike the Genz guys, there is lots of stuff shown in booths by companies that will either never see the light of day, or that won't be introduced for a year, etc. So hard to determine what is actually real, and if real, when it will be avialable.

One of the nice things about the Genz area is that it resides in the heart of the large Kaman booth. Within that booth and close to Genz is the percussion booth, so you always have guys playing percussion. Last year it was easy to just set up rhythmic feels. Genz had a number of basses you could check out amps with. You could actually get a pretty good idea how things sounded, which could be why so many guys left NAMM knowing how good the Streamliner sounded with a P bass.

KJung · #16 12-14-2011, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by LeonD

And your point is?

I tried everything:

Ken: I won't say anything to anyone
Roger: NO
Ken: I'll tell everyone
Roger: NO
Ken: I'll preorder one at full suggested retail
Roger: NO
Ken: I'll preorder two at full suggested retail
Roger: NO

Edit: I meant 'Andy' above, but I guess it as accurate, since Roger is actually the evil emperor behind the curtain.

KJung · #17 12-14-2011, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by B String

One of the nice things about the Genz area is that it resides in the heart of the large Kaman booth. Within that booth and close to Genz is the percussion booth, so you always have guys playing percussion. Last year it was easy to just set up rhythmic feels. Genz had a number of basses you could check out amps with. You could actually get a pretty good idea how things sounded, which could be why so many guys left NAMM knowing how good the Streamliner sounded with a P bass.

+1 There are exceptions. I remember back in day Trace Elliot had a 'soundproof booth' with a few amps in there.

Fun time no matter what! It has been exactly 30 years since my last NAMM

LeonD · #18 12-14-2011, 01:41 PM

I've been a GB fan since the Shuttles came out.

What I'd like to see is something along the lines of the Shuttle 9.0 but with the solid state preamp instead of the tube pre.

(I know I can get that with the Max's but I like the smaller form.)

KJung · #19 12-14-2011, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by LeonD

I've been a GB fan since the Shuttles came out.

What I'd like to see is something along the lines of the Shuttle 9.0 but with the solid state preamp instead of the tube pre.

(I know I can get that with the Max's but I like the smaller form.)

That is both my hope and my guess.

LeonD · #20 12-14-2011, 01:50 PM

You're more optimistic than I am.

To the average buyer, tubes = good and solid state = bad. Not that the 6.0 and 9.0 are bad but after having played both, I prefer the pre in my 3.0.

I don't think they'll be releasing a small, high powered head with a ss preamp. If they do, I'll be putting my wallet where my mouth is.