Getting a Bugera this week - Page 7

JimmyM · #**121** 01-03-2013, 11:29 AM

George, I'm going to bow out and just award you the internet for today

**Chef** · #**122** 01-03-2013, 11:30 AM

You guys have had this tiff in other threads.
I'm sure neither of you feel differently about it today.

Move along.

fretlesswonder · #**123** 01-03-2013, 11:34 AM

I had 3 of these, sadly each one was worse than the last. I hope you have better luck than I...seemed like a great idea, so I just ended up with a GK in the end, less power, but it does what I need it to do. I have used their guitar amps, had no issues. Not a slag or anything. Again, good luck with the purchase, good deal to boot!

Handyman · #**124** 01-03-2013, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by fretlesswonder

I had 3 of these, sadly each one was worse than the last. I hope you have better luck than I...seemed like a great idea, so I just ended up with a GK in the end, less power, but it does what I need it to do. I have used their guitar amps, had no issues. Not a slag or anything. Again, good luck with the purchase, good deal to boot!

Just curious, what where the issues you were having with the three Bugeras?

**hsech** · #**125** 01-03-2013, 12:32 PM

I've had Fender, Ampeg and GK gear that went south over the years and had to have warranty work. Why dis Bugera? If you haven't had specific issues you can list with Bugera, why rain on someone elses parade?

Troph · #**126** 01-03-2013, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by hsech

.... Why dis Bugera? If you haven't had specific issues you can list with Bugera, why rain on someone elses parade?

Well, the name is somewhat unfortunate...

Seriously though, most of the dislike is probably based on negative experience with some Behringer equipment, which is so ubiquitous that everyone has an opinion. (I too have purchased both good and bad Behringer crap.)

Few people here have probably owned a Bugera amp (especially a bass amp), so it's likely just guilt by association.

But back to the brand name. What consultant thought that starting with the word "Bug" followed by "er" was a good idea??

fdeck · #**127** 01-03-2013, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Troph

Well, the name is somewhat unfortunate...

Seriously though, most of the dislike is probably based on negative experience with some Behringer equipment, which is so ubiquitous that everyone has an opinion. (I too have purchased both good and bad Behringer crap.)

Few people here have probably owned a Bugera amp (especially a bass amp), so it's likely just guilt by association.

But back to the brand name. What consultant thought that starting with the word "Bug" followed by "er" was a good idea??

So far as I know, Bugera was never a stand-alone company. "Bugera" was the brand name used by Behringer for the drivers in their cabinets, before the line of tube amps came out.

But why does it matter whether Behringer and Bugera are the same or separate entities? It's like Fender/Squier or Ford/Mercury. Companies use sub-branding for a number of different reasons, such as insulating one brand from the reputation of another, or creating a multi-tiered price structure for substantially similar products.

Troph · #**128** 01-03-2013, 06:19 PM

Bugera and Behringer are both subsidiaries of the international holding company MUSIC Group IP Ltd, of which Mr. Behringer is the CEO.

fdeck · #**129** 01-03-2013, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MuthaFunk

I got one for $226 taxes in shipped to my holding company in the U.S. Sadly, it'll be a while before I can cross the border and bring it here myself. Shipping to my door was $170 or free to my mail spot just across the border. (1 Hr drive)

I'm really excited to take it all apart and post nude photos of it... Naturally I'm not expecting top notch build practices but I'm curious as to what kind of components they built it with considering it only cost me $200.

I've been waiting to really pound my Bergantino AE410 with some power and hear what she can do! Soo much fun. I've paid twice as much for some pedals I own.

I expect it will look pretty good inside. The size of the power transformer will provide a pretty good indication of the amp's real capabilities.

seamonkey · #**130** 01-04-2013, 12:23 AM

I haven't found an inside shot of the "Nuke" but here's the BVP5500

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...6pCikKHMLe5RNd

Bugera lists the BVP5500 at "550 Watts" (no FTC or EIA listed)

Note the toroidal transformer. It is a good deal of the weight of the BVP5500. I'm thinking Bugera knows how to design and size line frequency power supplies.

I've seen similar looking IEC connectors on the Nuke, rated from 10 to 15A. Let's say it's 10 A. At 220V this would be close to 2200 W, and peak being what it is 4400 W.

It looks like a good bargain if the features match what someone is looking for.

This amp has been around for years. With everybody having cameras on their cell phones you'd think if there were warehouses full of broken B* stuff there would be a few pictures by now.

Downunderwonder · #**131** 01-04-2013, 01:18 AM

Who among the naysayers hasn't sent a Behringer unit to landfill because it wasn't worth fixing? Maybe only Munji.

fremaochris · #**132** 01-04-2013, 01:23 AM

I've owned few Behringer/Bugera branded stuff and never had a problem with them.

arai · #**133** 01-04-2013, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Downunderwonder

Who among the naysayers hasn't sent a Behringer unit to landfill because it wasn't worth fixing? Maybe only Munji.

I have two Beheinger products sans amp clone and mixer. and while they have not had a single issue they have not really had much use.
I would risk a Bugera at that price

Downunderwonder · #**134** 01-04-2013, 01:51 AM

Y'all know what a naysayer is right?

Arjank · #**135** 01-04-2013, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by seamonkey

I haven't found an inside shot of the "Nuke" but here's the BVP5500

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...6pCikKHMLe5RNd

Bugera lists the BVP5500 at "550 Watts" (no FTC or EIA listed)

Note the toroidal transformer. It is a good deal of the weight of the BVP5500. I'm thinking Bugera knows how to design and size line frequency

Those are the innerts of my BVP5500, I posted the pic 2 years ago

Yes, the amp is really cleanly build.
It also has those rubber anti-vibration dampers on the tubes, I don't see that on my BBE BmaxT.

dincz · #**136** 01-04-2013, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by seamonkey

I've seen similar looking IEC connectors on the Nuke, rated from 10 to 15A. Let's say it's 10 A. At 220V this would be close to 2200 W, and peak being what it is 4400 W

Depending on what they mean when they say "peak power". For my power amp, Behringer list "RMS" power as 580W and "peak" power as 900W.

I don't think they're using peak voltage to calculate peak power - which would mean 2 x "RMS" power - and that would be a nonsensical figure anyway. A watt relates only to RMS voltage and current.

More likely that peak power is short term burst power (again RMS), and without knowing the measurement method it doesn't tell you much. 5mS, 100mS or what?

amimbari · #**137** 01-04-2013, 08:11 AM

so many people hate Behringers they forget about one thing...200bucks for an amp.

The power ratings may be like the Pyramid DJ amps that say 5000 watts peak, and everyone knows they put out 200RMS, but for 200bucks, if the NuKe can only squeeze out 300-500RMS so what..... it was STILL bought for 200bucks.

fretlesswonder · #**138** 01-07-2013, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Handyman

Just curious, what where the issues you were having with the three Bugeras?

One caught fire, that was fun, the second worked for a total of 3 mins...then it just powered off. The last one, it worked for a total of a week, then it died...when I spoke to Bugera tech support, the one I spoke to said there were power issues, they knew that...

seamonkey · #**139** 01-07-2013, 01:37 PM

good news is bugera has a 3 year warranty

Bad news is the nukes are back up to their old prices

Johnny Crab · #**140** 01-07-2013, 07:02 PM

The toroidal transformer idea is also inside of the 2 KX1200 keyboard amps that are now under a large Samsung here(used to make movies and concerts a bit more real).

Bugera arrived today but no time until Wednesday or later to even unpack it due to band & work.
You do get your 49 pounds in weight though. The one here will get tested in biamp mode using a 1x18 an a 4x8 with a horn/tweeter. After that, I'll try it in stereo using 2 four ohm ACME B2s.