Gigged My Schroeder Cab This Weekend

[RSalvador]

The last two nights we played and it was the first chance to gig my new Schroeder 1210R cab and Lakland DJ4. This place is like an old barn with a huge dance floor and it echoes like crazy. Friday night I could not seem to dial out the boom and I was getting horrible noise from my finger tapping the strings as I played. I kept backing off the lows and turning up the highs and mids and it was not what I would call a defined sound, too much boom and too harsh highs.

Yesterday I realized the horn in these really blasts the highs, so last night I backed the horn volume way down and I was then able to really crank the mids and highs. Perfect tone cutting through the mix with no overwhelming boom or harsh string noise. Now I am convinced I can get anything out of this setup. It's loud, very transparent but will take all the EQ you can dish out, lows, mids and highs to dial in your tone. Now I'm thinking I could add another preamp, like and EBS or Sadowsky to achieve other tones. I'm very happy with it now though. The Lakand was sweet to play too, though having a little trouble adjusting to 4 string.

[Chef]

Told ya it would be killer
You should be able to find "modern" in that b-max," keep working it!
FWIW, I most often used that cab with the 12 down, and the 10 firing up...and never used it on a stand or de-coupled from the floor.

[RSalvador]

Originally Posted by Chef

Told ya it would be killer
You should be able to find "modern" in that b-max," keep working it!
FWIW, I most often used that cab with the 12 down, and the 10 firing up...and never used it on a stand or de-coupled from the floor.

Oh you were right, I'm very excited about my rig now, having fun tweeking. I never thought of putting it on it's side, I'll have to try that. I have it on the stand in the pic to try it out because the stage in the place we played this weekend just vibrates and the bass boom feeds back the monitors.

Thanks Chef! I love it. Unless I hit the big time I cannot imagine adding a second cab, but I've thought about it already and it's nice to know my QSC will go down to 2 ohms and I could if needed. I saw the North Mississippi AllStars here in Springfield last Saturday and Chris Crew was rocking two Schroeder 1210's or 1212's it was cool to see.

[Akito]

Nice setup! And so much more powerful and clean than the typical combo amp!

[Chef]

If you get a second cab, just run one off each side.
Yeah, it's not as much power, but you've got tons of cone at that point.
I did some beta testing with my aggie db680/qsc-plx 2402 and 2 1212L's this weekend...running one off each side. That's "only'' 700 watts a side. I never cranked the qsc past 1/2 for fear of hurting my house!!!
Yours is a 1202, right?
That's 325 watts a side, still plenty...
Just a side note; it won't do 2 ohms bridged, so you'll only be running one side at 600 watts
It really makes more sense to run two sides at 325 per.

Ymmv, etc.

[RSalvador]

Originally Posted by Chef

If you get a second cab, just run one off each side.
Yeah, it's not as much power, but you've got tons of cone at that point.
I did some beta testing with my aggie db680/qsc-plx 2402 and 2 1212L's this weekend...running one off each side. That's "only'' 700 watts a side. I never cranked the qsc past 1/2 for fear of hurting my house!!!
Yours is a 1202, right?
That's 325 watts a side, still plenty...
Just a side note; it won't do 2 ohms bridged, so you'll only be running one side at 600 watts
It really makes more sense to run two sides at 325 per.

Ymmv, etc.

I may be off in my thinking here, but on the 1202, if I read the manual right, with two 4 ohm cabs, won't it be running 600 watts per side?

[Chef]

Negative.
600 watts per side at 2 ohm means both your 1210's would have to be on one side.
It will only bridge 4 ohms, so you can't bridge 2 4 ohm cabs.
600 watts per side, each side at 2 ohms=4 4 ohm cabs, 2 per side.
Your best bet is 325 per side at 4 ohms, 2 4 ohm cabs.

make sense?

graph here:
http://www.qscaudio.com/products/amps/plx/plx.htm

[RSalvador]

Originally Posted by Chef

Negative.
600 watts per side at 2 ohm means both your 1210's would have to be on one side.
It will only bridge 4 ohms, so you can't bridge 2 4 ohm cabs.
600 watts per side, each side at 2 ohms=4 4 ohm cabs, 2 per side.
Your best bet is 325 per side at 4 ohms, 2 4 ohm cabs.

make sense?

graph here:
http://www.qscaudio.com/products/amps/plx/plx.htm

I'm still chewing on that. I get that it won't bridge lower than 2 ohms, so right now with the one 4 ohm cab I have a potential of the full 1200 watts, right? I guess the part I'm having trouble with is, as a PA you would normally not bridge it mono but have on speaker per side. If it's a 1200 watt head under what circumstances would you ever have the 1200 watt potential by running one speaker on each side? I thought the specs listed in the Stereo Mode of that chart meant watts per side, but I guess I misunderstood.

[Chef]

per side; stereo mode:
8 ohm=200w
4 o= 325w
2 o=600w, but that'll take 2 4 ohm cabs per side, ya dig?
bridge mono:
16 o=400w
8 o=700w
4 o=1200 watts; the only scenario you get a full 1200 watts is only in mono

[RSalvador]

Originally Posted by Chef

per side; stereo mode:
8 ohm=200w
4 o= 325w
2 o=600w, but that'll take 2 4 ohm cabs per side, ya dig?
bridge mono:
16 o=400w
8 o=700w
4 o=1200 watts; the only scenario you get a full 1200 watts is only in mono

With that said, my guess is that adding the second cab would make a difference to the ear regardless the specs, right? But of course this is all academic (and very informative) because volume is not a problem now, I'd have to play on some pretty big stages to need more stage volume that I can get right now.

Thanks!

[Chef]

yessir, doubling cone area would make a huge diff.

[seansbrew]

Welcome to the Schroeder club. Glad to hear your cab is working out. I love my 1210R. Keep in mind that decoupling the cab from the floor takes away from its effectiveness. It seems that putting a cab at your feet would take away, but this is not the case with Schroes.

[RSalvador]

Originally Posted by seansbrew

Welcome to the Schroeder club. Glad to hear your cab is working out. I love my 1210R. Keep in mind that decoupling the cab from the floor takes away from its effectiveness. It seems that putting a cab at your feet would take away, but this is not the case with Schroes.

Thanks for the tip. I will try it.

[CrackBass]

i also typically use mine (1210r) with the angled speaker up. this seems to work the best for me, as well as being the most suited to stage sound, better dispersion, smaller footprint. i have been bridging a 2404 into it lately. that little cab can handle just about anything you can throw at it. lately i have gotten out my old tube preamp for a little grit and i'm amazed at how well the cab works with this tone, even though it has a tweeter. a big departure from the clean, clean, clean sound i have been running for so long. i used to think that only tweeterless sealed cabs were the ticket for this kind of sound but the schroe puts it out there with the best of them. all while remaining "slappable". imo that's a pretty tall order. (i think slap sounds pretty bad with an 810 usually, especially with a little grit)

[Chef]

Respectfully disagree, kinda:

If you were de-coupling from the floor, I might agree, depending on how you were doing it.
But just making the footprint smaller, and using the side firing speaker "as a personal monitor" doesn't de-couple.
Heck, with the cab positioned "normally," the rubber isoaltion feet are decoupling the cab from the floor to a certain extent.
I took the feet off my second 1212 so it would connect better with it's "underneath brother" when I use them together. That seemed to make a more audible difference to me than rotating the lone cab on it's side.
2 1212's, with the side firing speeks pointed up still sound 'uuuuuge, I guaraaaaantee.
But, I typically stack them normalled up.

Originally Posted by seansbrew

Welcome to the Schroeder club. Glad to hear your cab is working out. I love my 1210R. Keep in mind that decoupling the cab from the floor takes away from its effectiveness. It seems that putting a cab at your feet would take away, but this is not the case with Schroes.

[NoNoise]

I'd love to hear what two 1210's sound like compare to my 310212. My band mates would definitely prefer I have 2 smaller cabs than one big one, but I just keep pointing out all the 8x10's and 6x10's that other bassists use.

[Chef]

I can tell you that two 1212L's kicks a**.
I'll have a thread up after a while.