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Old 10-25-2011, 04:45 PM
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GK 1001RB 750/50W?

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I was looking through a gear catalogue earlier and noticed this particular head was listed as 750W/50W. Was wondering what that means.
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Biamp- 750 watts for the woofer, 50 watts for the tweeter.
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Old 10-25-2011, 06:31 PM
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It's 700W to the woofers and 50W to the tweeters @ 4 ohms provided you are using the GK speakon cables with mid to high end GK cabs.
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Old 10-25-2011, 09:13 PM
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First Gen?

First gen 1001 is 480 and 50.
The Mark 2,3,4 were 700~750 and 50

As I recall, but I could be wrong.........
YMMV
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Old 10-28-2011, 11:59 PM
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Ok. So when I consider amp power rating, would I add the two numbers to get total wattage. Do I have to run it differently?

Then again, maybe I shouldn't own this particular head if I don't understand it yet.
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Old 10-29-2011, 12:06 AM
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The 1001RB-II has two separate outputs, one is your 700W and the other is your 50W. They operate independently of one another, they each have their own master volume. The only way to use the 50W part is to have a 4 conductor speakon cable and a cab that is compatible with the "gk biamp" feature. If that makes no sense to you, don't worry about it. Fact: take any 4 ohm cab, any old speaker cable, you get 700W. 50W part doesn't have to be used. Don't blow your speakers with that baby...
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Old 10-29-2011, 03:13 AM
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Ok. So when I consider amp power rating, would I add the two numbers to get total wattage. Do I have to run it differently?

Then again, maybe I shouldn't own this particular head if I don't understand it yet.
No, you can't simply add the numbers up. The amp has a sort of bi-amping mode where the main amp provides a full range 700 watts. The 50 watt amp only amplifies the high frequency content of your sgnal (above 5Khz) and is used to drive a high frequency tweeter or horn.

Bi-amping can be a more efficient way of driving a full range rig because it always takes more power to amplify low frequencies than high ones (and high frequency drivers are also more efficient) so by having a thumping great power amp to drive the lows and another much smaller one to drive the highs makes sense. It also makes sense to do split the signal into low and high frequencies before they go to their separate power amps because then you're only dealing with small signals that can be handled by active electronic crossovers. If you amplify the full range signal into a cab such as a typical 410 with a tweeter then there has to be a high pass filter inside the cab to make sure that the tweeter only gets the highs. Doing this is fine, but it takes chunkier components and is less efficient.

The GK system is not proper bi-amping because with that a propoer crossover system, low frequencies and high frequencies have a crossover frequency (that is often adjustable) and the respective frequencies are attenuated quite severely around that point, so the lows won't go above that frequency, the highs won't see any sgnal below it.

In the GK system, 1 channel (700 watts) is full range the other gets the output via a 5kz hi pass filtered signal, so it will will only produce highs.

It's a myth that this will only work with a magical GK cable and GK cabs, it seems to be a standard 4 pole speakon arrangement where the lull range is just carried down one pair of conductors in a 4 core cable, the highs down the other pair (most probably wired 1+/1- for the full range, 2+/2- for the highs). It's also a myth that this will only work with GK cabs. If you have a little bit of savvy you should be able to use any cab with the full range signal (as long as it had the right impedance) and any high frequency drivers with the highs.

A typical use might be to run, say, a 215 cab with the full range. The high frequencies of the full range signal wil have started to drop off way before 5K anyway because the cab won't go that high, then run a horn or tweeter box from the 50 watt amp
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This head has two amps instead of one. The first amp (the main one) is a 700W amp. The second one is a 50W amp that only gets the very treble part of your signal.

If you just have a normal bass cab, you can run it from the 700W amp and just not use the 50W amp. This is what I do and it works great. I suspect most folks run this amp this way.
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Old 10-29-2011, 04:41 AM
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First gen 1001 is 480 and 50.
The Mark 2,3,4 were 700~750 and 50

As I recall, but I could be wrong.........
YMMV
There is no mark 3 and 4.
There's first gen, and there's mark II (2).
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Old 10-29-2011, 06:31 AM
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The GK system is not proper bi-amping because with that a propoer crossover system, low frequencies and high frequencies have a crossover frequency (that is often adjustable) and the respective frequencies are attenuated quite severely around that point, so the lows won't go above that frequency, the highs won't see any sgnal below it.

In the GK system, 1 channel (700 watts) is full range the other gets the output via a 5kz hi pass filtered signal, so it will will only produce highs.
Wrong.
If you engage the "Woofer High Cut" switch, it becomes true bi-amp.
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Wrong.
If you engage the "Woofer High Cut" switch, it becomes true bi-amp.
I stand corrected, it's been a few years since I used one.

But, I stand by the fact that you can't just consider that it has a 700 wat amp and it has a 50 watt amp, therefore it's a 750 watt amp. Some people seem to be labouring under this misconception.

The other misconception is that you can only use this feature with a special GK cable and GK cabs, when a little bit of research will show that you can easily use this to add a horn or topbox to any cab.
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The 50 watt horn amp is 75 watts @4 ohms. I didn't see it mentioned here.
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