GK 212, better than.............?? - Page 2

MysticMichael · #21 12-23-2012, 12:32 AM

Of course, one alternative to a pair of GK Neo 2x12s would be to get a pair of GK Neo 115-III cabs. You wouldn't be moving quite as much air as with the Neo 2x12s - although you'd still move plenty. But they're probably tuned a little deeper. And they're a little lighter, a little more compact, and a little cheaper.

Word has it that they have surprisingly good, punchy low-to-upper midrange response for a 1x15, for a nicely balanced tone - with the horn. Definitely worth consideration...

MM

rodl2005 · #22 12-23-2012, 12:46 AM

Unless u ain't happy with the form, loading/carrying of the 410, I'd keep it & get another the same.
If you are wanting the shape, sound etc of a 212, I'd get one 8 ohm & another the same later.
Those old Fender 410's are cool cabs ime. Heavy, but sound good.

ljazz · #23 12-23-2012, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by MysticMichael

Of course, one alternative to a pair of GK Neo 2x12s would be to get a pair of GK Neo 115-III cabs. You wouldn't be moving quite as much air as with the Neo 2x12s - although you'd still move plenty. But they're probably tuned a little deeper. And they're a little lighter, a little more compact, and a little cheaper.

Word has it that they have surprisingly good, punchy low-to-upper midrange response for a 1x15, for a nicely balanced tone - with the horn. Definitely worth consideration...

MM

Or 2 x 112's....... then you can keep the speakers aligned. I love my 212, but only with one of my 112's on top. Just one of my 112's is easier to hear on stage than my 212.

gregmon79 · #24 12-23-2012, 02:24 PM

Hey everyone, so I ended up trading in my hartke 115 and got a used gk 410, I believe its an SB. Anyway, I got it home and I plug into it and I start pushing it pretty hard to see what she'll take and what shes gonna sound like in a jam setting. Not so hard that I'm gonna kill it though, I'm not that stupid. Anyway, I kick up the woofer high at first and set the gain really low, almost off with my boost at about half way. Well guess what, im getting some kind of static/distortion and it almost sounds like a cone(s) is/are damaged. Now I'm not using a GK speakon cable yet, they didn't have one, so I'm going in with a quarter inch. The cab is used and I'm thinking they didn't check this thing out before they put it on the sales floor. I'd be happy with it, very happy, if it weren't for the static/distorted sounds. Does this sound like something any of you have experienced with these cabs before??

gregmon79 · #25 12-23-2012, 02:27 PM

Btw, the static isn't there ALL the time, only when its pushing some deep bass and or a deep note. In other words, it doesn't sound right to me but I don't know if IM doing something wrong or if its the cab. I've got the horn knob on the back set to normal and the little red switch turned to full range too.

FretlessMainly · #26 12-23-2012, 03:35 PM

There is no "gain" on that head. There are four knobs that control volume:

1. Input volume. This setting will depend on how hot you bass is. I generally can't put it much above 9 or 10:00 unless I pad my input.
2. Boost. Set this at 3:00 for signature GK sound.
3. Tweeter. With the speakon cable, you control from the front. Without it, from the back.
4. Woofer. I use this as my master volume.

If your input volume is too high, you'll get distortion similar to what you mention. Is the yellow clip light coming on?

When I bought my Neo 212, it arrived with a similar problem that turned out to be a simple broken solder joint. Quick fix under warranty. Do you have any sort of warranty?

gregmon79 · #27 12-23-2012, 06:05 PM

The clip light comes on at times but only when I'm turned up really high and attacking hard. I did buy a year warranty through the store and have 30 days to come to a decision about it. I've already called the store and reported the problem though.

gregmon79 · #28 12-23-2012, 07:49 PM

Btw its a 410 SBX. I did the 9 volt test and all 4 speakers poped and moved. The top right INward while the other 3 moved OUTward. I plugged back in and played with most eq set flat, master around noon, boost at noon and gain at 9. The top left moved much more than the other speakers and distorted quite a bit. That's "blown out" isn't it??

gregmon79 · #29 12-23-2012, 08:48 PM

Gain at 9 o'clock rather.

scottfeldstein · #30 12-23-2012, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ljazz

I love my 212, but only with one of my 112's on top.

I've heard that from a few knowledgeable people here! Amazing. I am thinking of putting the Neo 115 on top of my Neo 212, as it would be a little bit more matched in terms of output...but I'm convinced that you guys must be on to something with this 212 + 112 thing, otherwise people wouldn't be saying it so often here.

MysticMichael · #31 12-23-2012, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by gregmon79

The cab is used and I'm thinking they didn't check this thing out before they put it on the sales floor.

And apparently you didn't check it out very well before you bought it either...

MM

gregmon79 · #32 12-23-2012, 11:22 PM

Yeah I obviously didnt. I thought it sounded fine in the store but I didn't want to crank it in the store. I did turn it up quite a bit in the store and it sounded fine. But I usually would think a music store like Sam ash would thourouly check their stock before they put it on the sales floor. As long as they take care of the problem by replacing/fixing the speaker I will still be a satisfied customer.

ljazz · #33 12-24-2012, 02:54 AM

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Originally Posted by FretlessMainly

There is no "gain" on that head. There are four knobs that control volume:

1. Input volume. This setting will depend on how hot you bass is. I generally can't put it much above 9 or 10:00 unless I pad my input.
2. Boost. Set this at 3:00 for signature GK sound.
3. Tweeter. With the speakon cable, you control from the front. Without it, from the back.
4. Woofer. I use this as my master volume.

If your input volume is too high, you'll get distortion similar to what you mention. Is the yellow clip light coming on?

When I bought my Neo 212, it arrived with a similar problem that turned out to be a simple broken solder joint. Quick fix under warranty. Do you have any sort of warranty?

Your number 1 is incorrect..... it is preamp gain. Turning this will have no effect on whether or not the clip light comes on. The only input gain control you have on the head is to engage/disengage the input pad. Check the schematic on the back of your head. It clearly shows the vol after the input and clip light. Check out the manual too... under front panel features.... "8) Volume: sets the pre-amp gain after the input stage."

Jack · #34 12-24-2012, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by B-string

It is possible if it says Mk II on the bottom it may have been updated by G-K at some point. Mk II's have a slight voicing change, better cooling and more power than the Mk I's. Mark II's put put 480 watts at 8 ohms, the NEO212 II is rated at 600 watts and should handle the Mk II.

Just to add my 2 cents. IME the 1001II is more than capable of kicking the poop out if that cabinet. It's a fantastic cab and that was my rig for many years but do be careful with the volume on that head. It should carry a safety warning.

gregmon79 · #35 12-24-2012, 08:22 AM

That's what my thoughts were too jazz. And jack, I know what you mean. I have the second cab, from what I've read, and its rated @ 800 watts so I made sure that I was careful not to push it too hard as to blow the cones. Thanks for the experienced based knowledge. I will def keep that in mind. I followed some suggestions and looked closer at the top right speaker and it has some creases in it and no matter how I wire the speaker, I tried both ways and it still goes inward when I do the 9 volt test which someone commented that its wired wrong inside somewhere so I'm taking it back today and hopefully they will fix it.

B-string · #36 12-24-2012, 12:00 PM

The SBX plus is rated 800 watts, SBX (no plus) is 400 watt.

gregmon79 · #37 12-24-2012, 02:42 PM

Took the cab back to Sam ash today and they are sending it in for repair/replacement. It'll take at least a couple weeks but at least I know that its being taken care of and I think the speaker is being replaced so all will, hopefully, be right with the world when it returns. Thanks guys, the advice really paid off. I didn't freak out like I usually would've thanks to the advice and knowledge of you people on the forum. Merry Christmas all!! I will let you guys know how it turns out.

ljazz · #38 12-26-2012, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Jack

Just to add my 2 cents. IME the 1001II is more than capable of kicking the poop out if that cabinet. It's a fantastic cab and that was my rig for many years but do be careful with the volume on that head. It should carry a safety warning.

I second this..... I owned the 1001rbII for about a week before returning it for a 700rbII. The big downer for me was that the 212 cab gave up long before hitting "growl" territory for the head. I'm not ripping the cab at all...... it's just that head puts out a ton of power, and can easily kill the cab.

kingmacaw · #39 01-09-2013, 11:58 AM

when i tried a new sbx cabinet out a few years ago the low end broke up at semi-loud volumes. a neo did not. i bought a neo 115 for my use rather than an sbx because of this.

gregmon79 · #40 03-12-2013, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by kingmacaw

when i tried a new sbx cabinet out a few years ago the low end broke up at semi-loud volumes. a neo did not. i bought a neo 115 for my use rather than an sbx because of this.

Its funny you said this, because after they finally replaced ALL FOUR woofers in the cab, I took it back 3 times before it was "fixed", there was absolutely no bottom end whatsoever. When I first brought that cab home and played through it with a blown, or two, woofer(s) it was shaking the walls. I get it back after they supposedly fixed it and the balls in the cab were completely gone. I took it back for good and ended up getting a few pedals instead. I'm very happy with my desicion, I picked up the EHX Micro POG and the Sansamp VT bass, sweet sweet pedals. The 410 Neo I have now is suiting me just fine