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Brad Johnson · #41 12-11-2012, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Thumper

Still, it wouldn't hurt to give a general price range to generate (or quell) interest would it? I really don't want to bother someone at the company when I'm just kicking tires, although in my case, I am looking for a cab but it's a want not a need, so I'll buy when the right cab at the right price comes along.

$799 + $50 for the built-in dolly. I've been providing that info all along. And he has 4 or 5 colors available.

Check around. That's not alot for a cab loaded with two Faital Pro Neo twelves. And having them work in a tiny nonstandard configuration is pretty amazing and very useful for folks who want to go big without lugging big around.

While others were proclaiming the domination of the Eminence 3012, Sammie went in a different direction.

If there's a problem with the pricing being in this post, delete it and I'll go back to answering via pm.

KJung · #42 12-11-2012, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Brad Johnson

$799 + $50 for the built-in dolly. I've been providing that info all along. And he has 4 or 5 colors available.

Check around. That's not alot for a cab loaded with two Faital Pro Neo twelves. And having them work in a tiny nonstandard configuration is pretty amazing and very useful for folks who want to go big without lugging big around.

While others were proclaiming the domination of the Eminence 3012, Sammie went in a different direction.

If there's a problem with the pricing being in this post, delete it and I'll go back to answering via pm.

Love those Faitals! Clip sounds very good. Looks like a nice box! Definitely a good price for that level of quality and dual 12's. I dig it!

Thumper · #43 12-11-2012, 03:13 PM

Thanks for the info Brad. I am new to the cab threads since I've been using the same stuff for 10+ years. Living out here in the Rockies, portability hasn't been an issue. Sadly, age has caught up with me, so light is right. The good news is, I was kind of sad dealing with my no GAS status (been through 30+ basses and settled on 5 (3 for Rock, 2 for Country)) and am doing all I can to wear them out. Cab GAS is new to me and I've got a whole lot to learn, but I LOVE doing the research. So ya'll be patient with me, since I do test the whole no question is a dumb question theory from time to time.

foderaman · #44 12-11-2012, 04:01 PM

Any info on how the 2012 sounds compared to the Lil G ?

bwoodman · #45 12-11-2012, 05:01 PM

I've been considering a fEARful 12/6 or 12/6/1 for some time now - and now I find this one! Does anyone know how this LIL G compares to a 12/6?

Brad Johnson · #46 12-11-2012, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by foderaman

Any info on how the 2012 sounds compared to the Lil G ?

The 2012 is more of a traditional sized cab. I tried one a while back, it was cool but not exactly a game changer.

Brad Johnson · #47 12-11-2012, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bwoodman

I've been considering a fEARful 12/6 or 12/6/1 for some time now - and now I find this one! Does anyone know how this LIL G compares to a 12/6?

I'd love to do a comparison if someone in the area has one.

I stopped by today, Sammie had me test out a powered sub, a more affordable Lil G (non-Faital Pro drivers but could be upgraded later on) and something we bounced around when he came up with the Lil G... a 2-10 version. He had a two cab stack with different brands of drivers I'm each one. Coming along nicely. The cabs sounded very nice stacked or individually. He's also got a couple of very affordable five string jazzes.

Brad Johnson · #48 12-11-2012, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Thumper

Thanks for the info Brad. I am new to the cab threads since I've been using the same stuff for 10+ years. Living out here in the Rockies, portability hasn't been an issue. Sadly, age has caught up with me, so light is right. The good news is, I was kind of sad dealing with my no GAS status (been through 30+ basses and settled on 5 (3 for Rock, 2 for Country)) and am doing all I can to wear them out. Cab GAS is new to me and I've got a whole lot to learn, but I LOVE doing the research. So ya'll be patient with me, since I do test the whole no question is a dumb question theory from time to time.

Glad to help, Thumper.

**CL400Peavey** · #49 12-11-2012, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by bwoodman

I've been considering a fEARful 12/6 or 12/6/1 for some time now - and now I find this one! Does anyone know how this LIL G compares to a 12/6?

Tonally they will be very different. I hear quite the low mid hump on the lil'g clip that is not going to be present on the 12/6 unless you dial it in. The 12/6 will extend lower, and be more present through the mids. This can be desirable or not, depending on your tonal goals. Dispersion through the mids is going to be better with the 12/6 due to the mid driver.

will33 · #50 12-11-2012, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by CL400Peavey

Tonally they will be very different. I hear quite the low mid hump on the lil'g clip that is not going to be present on the 12/6 unless you dial it in. The 12/6 will extend lower, and be more present through the mids. This can be desirable or not, depending on your tonal goals. Dispersion through the mids is going to be better with the 12/6 due to the mid driver.

+1

That's how you get the perception of "loud and full sounding" from puttimg 2 woofers in a 1 woofer size box. Can achieve a similair effect by cutting your bass knob a couple notches and boosting your lowmids a healthy dose. Another example of people hearing "bass" as something an octave or 2 higher from where bass is, but hey, if it sounds good, it is good. I do a similair sort of bass cutting/lowmid boosting in our band mix, bit not to that extreme a degree.

Brad Johnson · #51 12-11-2012, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CL400Peavey

Tonally they will be very different. I hear quite the low mid hump on the lil'g clip that is not going to be present on the 12/6 unless you dial it in. The 12/6 will extend lower, and be more present through the mids. This can be desirable or not, depending on your tonal goals. Dispersion through the mids is going to be better with the 12/6 due to the mid driver.

You still haven't heard one so thanks again for your opinion. I'll leave it at that.

Brad Johnson · #52 12-11-2012, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by will33

+1

That's how you get the perception of "loud and full sounding" from puttimg 2 woofers in a 1 woofer size box. Can achieve a similair effect by cutting your bass knob a couple notches and boosting your lowmids a healthy dose. Another example of people hearing "bass" as something an octave or 2 higher from where bass is, but hey, if it sounds good, it is good. I do a similair sort of bass cutting/lowmid boosting in our band mix, bit not to that extreme a degree.

Uncle. Who needs ears?

I honestly don't get it. People continue to pop in and offer opinions as fact as if actually experiencing things isn't necessary.

Knowing no more than the two of you know about this particular design I have to ask a simple question... could you be wrong?

Seriously. Unless the answer is an unequivocal "No"...

This stuff really gets old.

will33 · #53 12-11-2012, 08:06 PM

The downfiring woofer is going to acoustically filter out mids/highs out of that driver and give a sort of bandpass/lowpass effect. It could also help do what .5 alignment does in a vertically aligned hifi box, that is to help compensate for the loss to baffle step and give more "heft" to the lower end. You still can't get around the fact that tjere's a lot of woofer in a small box. That's going to hump up the highbass/lowmid and take away LF extension. Whether that results in "fat" or "boom", or whether that LF is meaningful for electric bass in a band mix is subjective.

It will make a small box sound big. It won't get deep like folks are explaining it to be, but that's mostly an ear/brain trick.

If it works, it works. If it doesn't, it doesn't. It's in the ear of the beholder.

Measurements will tell you what's really going on. Ears will tell you if it sounds good or not. I'd worry about it in a real woody room with a natural lowmid resonance, otherwise....probably alright.

will33 · #54 12-11-2012, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad Johnson

Uncle. Who needs ears?

I honestly don't get it. People continue to pop in and offer opinions as fact as if actually experiencing things isn't necessary.

Knowing no more than the two of you know about this particular design I have to ask a simple question... could you be wrong?

Seriously. Unless the answer is an unequivocal "No"...

This stuff really gets old.

Umm....just sayin' what's goin' on there. Notice the lack of praise or ridicule?

Brad Johnson · #55 12-11-2012, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by will33

Umm....just sayin' what's goin' on there. Notice the lack of praise or ridicule?

Roll away.

Notice the statement of fact that the Lil G will not, not might not go as low as a 12/6 and that the 12/6 will, not might be more present through the mids that you then agreed with? Based on a single YouTube clip and your expertise?

How did Malcolm equalize his bass and rig? Does it matter? Why doesn't mine sound like that when I use it?

Predictable. I'm sorry this cab is competition for the last cab you'll ever need. Again... could either of you be wrong?

**CL400Peavey** · #56 12-11-2012, 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by will33

Umm....just sayin' what's goin' on there. Notice the lack of praise or ridicule?

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Originally Posted by Brad Johnson

Notice the statement of fact...

Yes fact, not praise or ridicule. Whether these facts appeal to one is personal preference. There are some that these facts do not appeal to. Thats ok. It doesnt change the facts.

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Originally Posted by Brad Johnson

Notice the statement of fact that the Lil G will not, not might not go as low as a 12/6...

Yes fact. A 3012LF will go lower than a pair of 12PR300's. Objective fact.

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Originally Posted by Brad Johnson

the 12/6 will, not might be more present through the mids

Yes an mid driver cab will be more present than a cab not loaded with a mid driver. Especially off axis. Off axis the 12PR300 starts taking a hefty dive in response around 2khz. Objective fact. An Eminence alphalite will have better response in the mids. Both cabs have tweeters, so that thats kind of a wash, but I will say this I know from personal experience that the cross over used on a fEARful tweeter is not the same crap off the shelf tweeter that is in most commercial cabs. No one has confirmed what is used in the lil'G.

Here is some more objective fact. Response graph generated and published by a third party for the 12/6.

While I do agree that one must play through a cab with the rest of their gear to make a final say about the nuances of tone, there are many objective facts that can be determined from published literature. Those facts may or may not be a basis for personal preference, but in either case personal preference is just that personal. It still does not take away from that which is objective.

Brad Johnson · #57 12-11-2012, 10:27 PM

You win. Screw this cab, I'm getting a fearful. Thanks.

will33 · #58 12-12-2012, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by CL400Peavey

While I do agree that one must play through a cab with the rest of their gear to make a final say about the nuances of tone, there are many objective facts that can be determined from published literature. Those facts may or may not be a basis for personal preference, but in either case personal preference is just that personal. It still does not take away from that which is objective.

That fEARful curve looks nice.

I sometimes forget to think about baffle step when I worry about things getting too much output/too woofy down in the sub frequencies. The off axis response is excellent, and quite smooth. In my case, I'd just leave the tweeter out of the equaton, the 6 is good to 5khz....plenty 'nuff for me.

bobcruz · #59 12-12-2012, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by will33

That fEARful curve looks nice....

-1. I see a dip in the mids, not as steep as the infamous Avatar "hole in the mids" chart I've seen but still surprising from all that I've read here about fEARfuls. And what's with that rising treble? I'm listening with my eyes and it's making my ears hurt.

Sorry to derail...back to Glasstone's lil G.

KJung · #60 12-12-2012, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bobcruz

-1. I see a dip in the mids, not as steep as the infamous Avatar "hole in the mids" chart I've seen but still surprising from all that I've read here about fEARfuls. And what's with that rising treble? I'm listening with my eyes and it's making my ears hurt.

Sorry to derail...back to Glasstone's lil G.

Nice sounding cabs for sure, but they have their own voice like every other cab. I personally couldn't deal with that top end myself.