Glasstone cabs

[phillybass101]

Malcolm and Brad got me into Brubakers. I'm playing Brutes right now and hope that 2013 brings me my first USA Custom. When I heard about the Lil G from the same sources I felt safe in believing them again. One of my favorite bassists and slappers David Dyson uses Glasstones. Since I too am a slapper I already know I won;t go wrong in selecting a Glasstone as my next cab. I'm from Philly, now living in Delaware but there is something to be said about the MD/DC bass connection. They got it going on and are riding the wave of fine sounding basses and rigs. I am following their lead and so far thay have not proven themselves or me wrong. What's my Sound right now? Brubaker Bass, Tecamp head, Eden 2x12 and soon to be Glasstone Cab(s). Deciding if I want just a LilG or that 2x10 stack. or a LilG, and one 2x10 cab stack. Since I slap alot I'm leaning toward a 2x10 stack.

[Stephent28]

Well, it is amazing that we are all agreeing that the Glasstone and Tecamp is an awesome combination. Have not had the privilege of playing a Brubaker but if they are gonna be at NAMM I will definitely check them out.

Personal observation....If I was gonna go the slap/pop route, I would go with the 2x12 and 2x10 cab stack. With my YingYang Fodera I can definitely get a crisp righteous tone out of the glasstone that I think ANY slapper would be happy with.....and that is just with the Lil G (I just choose to have a more rounded bottom sound) and adding a 2x10 would just totally put it over the top.

Just my 2 cents.

[phillybass101]

Originally Posted by Stephent28

Well, it is amazing that we are all agreeing that the Glasstone and Tecamp is an awesome combination. Have not had the privilege of playing a Brubaker but if they are gonna be at NAMM I will definitely check them out.

Personal observation....If I was gonna go the slap/pop route, I would go with the 2x12 and 2x10 cab stack. With my YingYang Fodera I can definitely get a crisp righteous tone out of the glasstone that I think ANY slapper would be happy with.....and that is just with the Lil G (I just choose to have a more rounded bottom sound) and adding a 2x10 would just totally put it over the top.

Just my 2 cents.

Cool. Thanks for your input. I hear that David Dyson is running a 15 with the 2x10 top. The thing is I would have two 8ohm cabs made with both 10's firng in each cab (4 tens firing). To my understandng running the LilG at 8ohms requires a switc which turns off one of the 12's

[Brad Johnson]

Originally Posted by Stephent28

Well, it is amazing that we are all agreeing that the Glasstone and Tecamp is an awesome combination. Have not had the privilege of playing a Brubaker but if they are gonna be at NAMM I will definitely check them out.

I just dropped off a couple of mine at Kevin's along with Preach to go to NAMM, my green JXB-6 and red KXB-6 fretless. Preach's new Buckeye Burl JXB-6 will be there too along with Malcolm and his Buckeye Burl KXB-6 with custom single coils. Also Greg Jones' new Candy Apple Orange lefty JXB-6 will be there. Kevin was more concerned with delivering basses this time around than bringing available basses to the show so we let our basses make the trip. I think he should have at least a four and a five there too. If he gets the 30" scale JXB-4 done in time, look out. Looking forward to what you think about them as usual.

Personal observation....If I was gonna go the slap/pop route, I would go with the 2x12 and 2x10 cab stack. With my YingYang Fodera I can definitely get a crisp righteous tone out of the glasstone that I think ANY slapper would be happy with.....and that is just with the Lil G (I just choose to have a more rounded bottom sound) and adding a 2x10 would just totally put it over the top.

Just my 2 cents.

I wholeheartedly agree. Totally over the top. I'm not even close to needing a second cab but when I heard the 212/210 combo I felt that hard to suppress semi-evil grin creeping up on me. It would mean getting a more robust 2 ohm capable head than my Acoustic Image but listening to it that even made sense. I need to stay away from Sammie's place.

[Brad Johnson]

Originally Posted by phillybass101

Cool. Thanks for your input. I hear that David Dyson is running a 15 with the 2x10 top. The thing is I would have two 8ohm cabs made with both 10's firng in each cab (4 tens firing). To my understandng running the LilG at 8ohms requires a switc which turns off one of the 12's

Right... one 12 switches off for 8 ohm operation. I have that on mine and never use it. Again, cut one Lil G loose first and then decide. But definitely cut it loose. I've seen guys who are hesitant because it seems wrong to turn up what looks like a 1-12 beyond what you'd normally expect one to be capable of. It just gets louder and more insistent.

[phillybass101]

Originally Posted by Brad Johnson

Right... one 12 switches off for 8 ohm operation. I have that on mine and never use it. Again, cut one Lil G loose first and then decide. But definitely cut it loose. I've seen guys who are hesitant because it seems wrong to turn up what looks like a 1-12 beyond what you'd normally expect one to be capable of. It just gets louder and more insistent.

I need to make a road trip to see the Rev to try out those combinations. But as they say, Money talks.....Thanks guys this wil help me to make the best decision.

[Brad Johnson]

Originally Posted by phillybass101

I need to make a road trip to see the Rev to try out those combinations. But as they say, Money talks.....Thanks guys this wil help me to make the best decision.

Trying is free minus the trip expense. I think it's worth it from Philly, a couple or so hours and you're there. You can make a day of it and stop in Reisterstown and see Kevin too. As long as you have restraint you should be in good shape.


Sammie loves seeing that look on folks' faces when they first crank it. Me too.

[diglo]

Originally Posted by phillybass101

Cool. Thanks for your input. I hear that David Dyson is running a 15 with the 2x10 top. The thing is I would have two 8ohm cabs made with both 10's firng in each cab (4 tens firing). To my understandng running the LilG at 8ohms requires a switc which turns off one of the 12's

This is David's FB page link. He's playing his glasstone 410x115 rig at church....scroll down page to "David dyson bass solo."

http://www.facebook.com/david.dysons...ref=ts&fref=ts

[Stephent28]

Originally Posted by Brad Johnson

Sammie loves seeing that look on folks' faces when they first crank it. Me too.

Should have video taped my jaw hitting the floor

[drslglass]

Just a quick note, I can build the Lil'G 212 or 210 @ either 8 ohm or 4 ohm, just need to know when ordering. If you have an amp with a 4 ohm min load and want two cabs, that's no problem. However, if your wish is to run one cab, then a 4 ohm will maximize your amp's efficiency.

[Stephent28]

Sammie, any chance the switch could run both speakers at either 8 or 4 ohm?
That would be the optimal wiring scheme and even worth paying extra for the switchgear required.

[foderaman]

Anyone have any words on the GT2012 cab?It looks like it may be a good choice with a single 12 and 2-10,s and a Tweet?Wonder how it would compare to the Lil G ?

[drslglass]

Unfortunately, to my knowledge there is no way. For a 4 ohm load you use two 8 ohm drivers and two 16 ohm for an 8 ohm cab.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Stephent28

Sammie, any chance the switch could run both speakers at either 8 or 4 ohm?
That would be the optimal wiring scheme and even worth paying extra for the switchgear required.

The only way to do this is using drivers with dual voice coils. That is quite expensive, and quite frankly, not worth the trouble. If you plan your amp and cab purchases, this should not be an issue. Typically, if you need two cabs, it is best to use two identical cabs, since there will be no 'tonal surprises' and no mismatched impedance or efficiency issues. If you are in a situation where you decide on two cabs that are each 4ohms, there are some full sized heads that are safe for 2ohm operation, and other 'dual mono designs' like the Genz Shuttle Max 12 that are specifically designed to drive two 4ohm cabs (or 4 8ohm cabs).

The 'exception to the rule' is that using a 4ohm 212 and an 8ohm 112 of similar design (or a 4ohm 410 and 8ohm 210 from the same cab line) can work quite well, since each driver will get the same amount of power from the amp (assuming the amp is capable of operating at a 2.6ohm impedance). That is pretty cool, since you end up with a modular 3 x 12 or modular 610.

Otherwise, I'd personally stay away from 'unusual' combinations of cabs. It can work great or not... pure guesswork. And, the old idea of 'putting a 15 under a 210' really doesn't make much sense at this point, since there is virtually a zero correlation between cone diameter and low end performance these days.

Just FYI and something to think about

[Virgil]

Originally Posted by KJung

The only way to do this is using drivers with dual voice coils. That is quite expensive, and quite frankly, not worth the trouble. If you plan your amp and cab purchases, this should not be an issue. Typically, if you need two cabs, it is best to use two identical cabs, since there will be no 'tonal surprises' and no mismatched impedance or efficiency issues. If you are in a situation where you decide on two cabs that are each 4ohms, there are some full sized heads that are safe for 2ohm operation, and other 'dual mono designs' like the Genz Shuttle Max 12 that are specifically designed to drive two 4ohm cabs (or 4 8ohm cabs).

The 'exception to the rule' is that using a 4ohm 212 and an 8ohm 112 of similar design (or a 4ohm 410 and 8ohm 210 from the same cab line) can work quite well, since each driver will get the same amount of power from the amp (assuming the amp is capable of operating at a 2.6ohm impedance). That is pretty cool, since you end up with a modular 3 x 12 or modular 610.

Otherwise, I'd personally stay away from 'unusual' combinations of cabs. It can work great or not... pure guesswork. And, the old idea of 'putting a 15 under a 210' really doesn't make much sense at this point, since there is virtually a zero correlation between cone diameter and low end performance these days.

Just FYI and something to think about

Kjung. You raised an interesting issue, and that is that there is no correlation between cone diameter and low end performance these days. So, you don't see the need for 15 in or 18 inch subs to achieve low end performance?

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Virgil

Kjung. You raised an interesting issue, and that is that there is no correlation between cone diameter and low end performance these days. So, you don't see the need for 15 in or 18 inch subs to achieve low end performance?

The simple answer is yes. However, when you are talking about 'sub bass frequencies' using a true crossed over subwoofer in a large front of house system reproducing that 20hz to 50hz thing, you will be able to get to those frequencies with less drivers, and hence less cost and weight, using a larger cone (even there, it isn't a 'frequency thing', it is a 'volume/cost/weight' thing).

For the typical bass cab that rolls off significantly at 50hz (in almost all cases), you can get there with 8's, 10's, 12's or 15's almost equally well. The advantage to a large driver is that you can typically (all other things being equal... i.e., a larger driver from the same manufacturer and family of drivers, like the Eminence LF's, for example), get the same frequency range and tone but at a higher volume with a single larger driver versus a single smaller driver.

It is a good time to be a bassist. That Lil' G with those very nice Faitals probably puts out more true low end at a higher volume than most large 18" loaded cabs way back in the day

Edit: That does not mean that some 15" loaded cabs won't sound way deeper than some 10 loaded cabs, depending on the drivers, but most are not aware than many 10" loaded cabs now sound much deeper than many 15" loaded cabs... has little to do with cone size at this point.

[stix_clgi]

I'm mad I missed most of this post! I would have chimed in and waxed poetic on all the qualities of the Lil G...but y'all have done it already.

I was wondering when/if Pastor Glass was going to make a 2x10 setup like the Lil G.

I love mine with my Peavey Cirrus and Genz Benz ShuttleMax 9.2. In September I took it to a beach concert in Hampton, Va and got a chance to really ring it out. It absolutely killed! The clarity at the volume I was playing at is ridiculous! At my church I dont' even have my master volume turned pass 10 o'clock.....it's almost too loud :-) It replaced my old Eden D410xlt and I haven't looked back since getting it.

Speaking of Brubakers I'm still saving up to get one....that chance meeting with Brad, Malcom, and Rick really changed my perception of quality boutique gear. I was a Smith/Cirrus guy until I played their Brubakers....now I just tolerate my Cirrus until I can get one lol!

Now...I need to contact Pastor Glass about that kickback stand, I wonder if it can be retrofitted on the older Lil G's........

[diglo]

What could be in these boxes? Honestly, I worked overtime today and I'm too tired to open them. Lol

[Stephent28]

Consistency is the key!
I have one of those exact boxes sitting in my storage room!

[diglo]

Ok. Here's a pic of the rig. Top cab has ohm selection switch. Will run the GB 9.2 amp with one cab and when I need two, I'll run it with a GB 12.2 amp. Still learning the amp adjustments.