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10-18-2011, 06:08 PM
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I'm getting ready to build my own cab. I'm gonna use 1 15" 300w speaker closed, 2 10" 150-200w speakers ported, and a horn. What brand speakers are good for hard rock and metal. |
10-18-2011, 06:40 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: USA | | No offense intended, but if you have to ask this, you don't have enough knowledge to make the choices you've already made. For a good result, I'd recommend that you postpone your build for additional education, or use a proven cab design.
I see that you're a new member. It would be good to spend some reading time in the amps FAQs, and the fEARful threads. |
10-18-2011, 07:03 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: austin,tx | | | What's the best tweeter for metal? |
10-18-2011, 07:08 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: austin,tx | | | Seriously OP, be glad to help but you have to first get a basic understanding and clear up some misconceptions. The stuff 1n3 pointed you to is a good place to start. |
10-18-2011, 07:26 PM
|  | Livin' it up at the Hotel California | | Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Sacramento California | | | ccox480:
First of all, welcome to Talkbass!
1n3 hit the nail on the head with what he said. And we are only trying to be helpful (bass players helping out other bass players). If you don't take the time to educate yourself, it is 100% guaranteed that you will throw lots of money into the wind, and, what's even worse is, your project will be a failure and you won't know why, and you will be frustrated and disappointed bacause the cab sounds like crap.
It would be like going out to your garage and trying to throw some parts together to construct a space shuttle and expecting it to be successful. It won't happen!
Learn about Thiele-Small parameters. Read up on fEarful threads. Find out why speaker diameter does not mean much, and neither does wattage ratings. Read up on bass cab design. Find out about vertically aligning the speakers (instead of side by side). Find out about dispersion, beaming, and comb filtering. The more time you spend reading, the higher percentage of chance your cab will perform well.
After you read up on all of that stuff, you will most likely come to the conclusion that the fEarful design (loaded with Eminence 3015LF's and mid drivers crossed over at around 800 hertz) just might be the ticket for you.
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10-18-2011, 07:41 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: USA | | | To expand a little on my last post... your proposed design doesn't make much sense, particularly the choice of a ported 210 cabinet.
If your 10s and 15 will cover the same bandwidth below the horn, you need to read the many threads here about mixing speaker types. Further, it's possible for two 10s in a ported cab to produce more bass than a 15 in a sealed cab.
If the 10s will be limited (by crossover) to midrange duty, they don't need a ported cabinet, and you probably only need one ten in a small sealed cab to match a 15.
I hope you will find good reading in the FAQs. If you want to pursue your own design, and you want it to be good, expect to spend weeks or months in preparation. Fine if you enjoy learning this stuff, but if not, better to look for a proven design. |
10-18-2011, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by 1n3  To expand a little on my last post... your proposed design doesn't make much sense, particularly the choice of a ported 210 cabinet.
If your 10s and 15 will cover the same bandwidth below the horn, you need to read the many threads here about mixing speaker types. Further, it's possible for two 10s in a ported cab to produce more bass than a 15 in a sealed cab.
If the 10s will be limited (by crossover) to midrange duty, they don't need a ported cabinet, and you probably only need one ten in a small sealed cab to match a 15.
I hope you will find good reading in the FAQs. If you want to pursue your own design, and you want it to be good, expect to spend weeks or months in preparation. Fine if you enjoy learning this stuff, but if not, better to look for a proven design. | +1 to everything 1n3 said, especially that last paragraph.
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10-18-2011, 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by ccox480 What brand speakers are good for hard rock and metal. | Dude, April Fool's Day is six months off.  |
10-18-2011, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe Louvar | I had forgotten about the design info on the Eminence website. Good suggestion!
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10-18-2011, 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by billfitzmaurice Dude, April Fool's Day is six months off. | LOL!! Good one, Bill!
(note to the OP: Bill Fitzmaurice has quite a sense of humor, but when it comes to cab design, there is nobody who knows it better......no joke. It's kinda like the old EF Hutton commercial........when BFM talks, people listen)
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10-18-2011, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by SactoBass LOL!! Good one, Bill!
(note to the OP: Bill Fitzmaurice has quite a sense of humor, but when it comes to cab design, there is nobody who knows it better......no joke. It's kinda like the old EF Hutton commercial........when BFM talks, people listen) | Should I have said 'carrots'? 
OTOH if the OP is serious: read the fEarful threads. |
10-18-2011, 09:38 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Santa Rosa, CA USA | | Bill knows tons - so don’t let him scare you off. Also checkout Bills DIY loudspeakers http://www.billfitzmaurice.com and welcome to the TB amp forum. \M/ |
10-18-2011, 11:01 PM
| | | | This is the best advice for metal. |
10-19-2011, 08:51 PM
| | | | I do appreciate all the tips that everyone is giving me. One of the reasons I was asking is because I don't want to pour a bunch of money into this deal and end up with a ****** cab. This is just the beginning of my research. I am basically looking for a starting point. I'm going to buy a book on building cabs and I will read the faq's. In a couple of months I may be ready to build my cab. Thanks again |
10-19-2011, 09:00 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Left Coast | | | cab-build disaster thwarted. *phew*! |
10-19-2011, 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ccox480 I do appreciate all the tips that everyone is giving me. One of the reasons I was asking is because I don't want to pour a bunch of money into this deal and end up with a ****** cab. This is just the beginning of my research. I am basically looking for a starting point. I'm going to buy a book on building cabs and I will read the faq's. In a couple of months I may be ready to build my cab. Thanks again | Sounds good! If you really want to build a KILLER cab, check out the fEarful threads (yeah, I know, that has already been suggested). But for a DIY cab, nothing holds a candle to the fEarful designs. You can just do a Google search on fEarful and you will find the wiki. The fEarfuls use the Eminence 3012LF (or 3015LF) for the woofer, and a mid driver crossed over around 800 hertz. Tweeter is optional, depending on if you like the zing.
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10-19-2011, 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by skychief cab-build disaster thwarted. *phew*! | In ice hockey goalie terms, that would be SAVE by Talkbass!
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10-21-2011, 06:29 PM
| | | | Ok I think ill be researching this for a year before ill nbe building a cab. Thanks guys that's what I was looking for |
10-21-2011, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ccox480 Ok I think ill be researching this for a year before ill nbe building a cab. Thanks guys that's what I was looking for | i hope it doesn't take that long, although one could easily spend a year studying cabinet design.
Here are some basic things to remember:
1. Speaker diameter isn't inherent to sound. It's all about designing a well-braced box around the Thiele-Small parameters of a good speaker for bass guitar application.
2. Typically, mixing speaker cabs that aren't identical can cause phase issues (additions or cancellations). So if you're going to build a cab with multiple speakers it's a good idea to build two of the same.
if you google fearful and greenboy you can browse that site and read up on all his info on speaker design. I'm not saying you should simply build a fearful (although that's not a bad idea) but you should definitely educate yourself about a few things before you get started. | | Thread Tools | Search this Thread | | | | 
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