Goodbye Micro VR. It's been a bittersweet journey.

fenderhutz · #1 09-16-2011, 09:25 AM

This is the first day off I have had in two weeks to get these packed up and sent back to Ampeg since I got my replacement stuff. Hooked them up one more time just to compare with the new setup. No worries there. Compared to the PF cabs these sound anemic, but on their own they worked great especially for what I was doing.

Bittersweet? I bought these because of the way they sounded, weight, small form factor etc. Due to the issues with the head not sounding the same after modding it to fix the crackle issues with the two cabs I couldn't use it. I paid for a certain sound and wanted that sound.

Anyway Ampeg support was decent through this ordeal and took care of a customer in the end.

Goodbye lightweight tone machine.

Hello heavy.

For anyone that cares the PF cabs sound stellar compared to the Micro VR cabs. Still get that good Ampeg sound but also gives you an awesome amount of low end response to go with it.

**Chef** · #2 09-16-2011, 09:41 AM

Well; cool that you got what you wanted in the end...bummer it was a long journey.

The issues with the head are one thing; however, expecting deep low end out of the 210AV cabs is sort of an unrealistic expectation for those. They do what they do well, but, that's not their design, really.

I really need to go try one of those new PF rigs.

fenderhutz · #3 09-16-2011, 09:44 AM

Oh no Chef I wasn't expecting extreme low end. These PF cabs shine better through the entire spectrum. Every note sounds buttery, even on that infamous G string

**Chef** · #4 09-16-2011, 09:46 AM

Well, I don't mean extreme either, for sure.
Just "weighted," as it were.
That sealed cab vibe is a different thing than the B15 double baffle thing, I think, eh?

BulbousMoses · #5 09-16-2011, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by fenderhutz

This is the first day off I have had in two weeks to get these packed up and sent back to Ampeg since I got my replacement stuff. Hooked them up one more time just to compare with the new setup. No worries there. Compared to the PF cabs these sound anemic, but on their own they worked great especially for what I was doing.

Bittersweet? I bought these because of the way they sounded, weight, small form factor etc. Due to the issues with the head not sounding the same after modding it to fix the crackle issues with the two cabs I couldn't use it. I paid for a certain sound and wanted that sound.

Anyway Ampeg support was decent through this ordeal and took care of a customer in the end.

Goodbye lightweight tone machine.

Hello heavy.

For anyone that cares the PF cabs sound stellar compared to the Micro VR cabs. Still get that good Ampeg sound but also gives you an awesome amount of low end response to go with it.

Well, hutz, I may very well be following your lead on this one. I like the tone of this little rig but I have no headroom so I'm thinking very seriously if upgrading to the PF350/PF115.

**Chef** · #6 09-16-2011, 09:47 AM

If you like the 210AV cabs, they will take a lot more power than the MicroSVT, without complaint.

fenderhutz · #7 09-16-2011, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BulbousMoses

Well, hutz, I may very well be following your lead on this one. I like the tone of this little rig but I have no headroom so I'm thinking very seriously if upgrading to the PF350/PF115.

Other than an extra 25lbs, trust me when I tell you you will have no regrets.

BulbousMoses · #8 09-16-2011, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Chef

If you like the 210AV cabs, they will take a lot more power than the MicroSVT, without complaint.

You know, I do like the 210AV but I'm also impressed with the flip top design of the PF rigs. I haven't made a final decision yet but I'm close.

**Chef** · #9 09-16-2011, 09:51 AM

No doubt: the PF are neat, and a different visual vibe.
Haven't played one, but I bet they sound different enough that one would have a definite preference.

JimmyM · #10 09-16-2011, 09:55 AM

I'm still very much in love with both cabs. The 210av's are nice and light and sound like mini SVT's, and the PF115 sounds like a B-15 cab with a little more bottom end. Obviously the PF115 is going to have more bottom because it's bigger, but you add a little shot of low end and those 210av's really come to life. So I'll be keeping both, thank you

**Chef** · #11 09-16-2011, 09:56 AM

Also a good plan!

fenderhutz · #12 09-16-2011, 10:02 AM

JimmyM I am not saying either sounded bad. I am just keeping the one Ampeg produced right in the first place

and has the sound out of the box I paid for.

themarshall · #13 09-16-2011, 10:23 AM

Hey! Weren't those tentatively for sale yesterday?

In any case, cool rig. A buddy of mine switched to that setup earlier this summer & I dug it when I heard it.

BulbousMoses · #14 09-16-2011, 10:40 AM

Here's a strange question. What would I get myself into if I kept my 210AV and paired it with a PF350 head?

jgroh · #15 09-16-2011, 10:47 AM

I have to try the new PF stuff, it looks delish. I have a 210AV cab that I use my MB LMII with, and its killer. I had thought about ditching my 410HLF and getting another 210AV to stack vertically, but now the PF stuff is interesting.

JimmyM · #16 09-16-2011, 10:47 AM

You would get yourself into a bit more powerful Micro VR rig. The PF350 puts out 250w into one 210av, slightly higher than the 200w power handling of the 210av, but shouldn't be a big problem or anything. Just watch your volume and back off if it sounds like it's going to have a problem.

fenderhutz · #17 09-16-2011, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by themarshall

Hey! Weren't those tentatively for sale yesterday?

In any case, cool rig. A buddy of mine switched to that setup earlier this summer & I dug it when I heard it.

Yup. Having lower back disc issues and a single handle on top is not a good combo. I found another TB'er that found matching handles to the top and mounted them on the side and he it helped a great deal.

If that doesn't help they might be for sale again lol.

I can sell these in good standing knowing they work and doesn't have a design defect like the Micro VR that Ampeg acknowledged then quickly recanted on the "official" release about the fix. I would feel dirty selling one of them, Loud corporate obviously doesn't feel that way.

burnunit · #18 09-16-2011, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by JimmyM

I'm still very much in love with both cabs. The 210av's are nice and light and sound like mini SVT's, and the PF115 sounds like a B-15 cab with a little more bottom end. Obviously the PF115 is going to have more bottom because it's bigger, but you add a little shot of low end and those 210av's really come to life. So I'll be keeping both, thank you

Yeh, I still like the cabs a lot as well. I also still like the head with a single cab - that's about as portable as it gets and I love the sound. I really wanted to get that tall ministack going, tho...guess I will just have to live with the LMII at the top of it, but I'm going to have to paint out the yellow

Mastermold · #19 09-16-2011, 12:45 PM

If I wasn't so happy with my B200R I would have picked up a PF setup by now. Glad you got what you needed in the end.

fenderhutz · #20 09-16-2011, 01:24 PM

It kinda reminds me if the B200R I had with a ton more volume and punch. If they would have made the B200R and a matching extension cab readily available back in the day I would probably still play it.