Grammys Mumford & Sons... Sideways Ampeg 810

[Vince Klortho]

Originally Posted by AdamR

Oh no ! SVT cabs on their sides and mixed drivers !!!!!

Oh, the humanity.

FWIW, he is now a Hartke endorser.

[xray]

Originally Posted by Tunaman

Here you go man

Speaker physics from Barefaced

Now there's a reputable source Guys don't ever turn your cab sideways - the tone won't come out right or wrong or left or....
Seriously, I've seen this a lot in small clubs. And com'on man, its TV!!! You really believe it's live?

[JimmyM]

Originally Posted by xray

Now there's a reputable source Guys don't ever turn your cab sideways - the tone won't come out right or wrong or left or....
Seriously, I've seen this a lot in small clubs. And com'on man, its TV!!! You really believe it's live?

Seen some real bad performances on those shows.

[Basstreble]

Hey guys I just saw them a few minutes and that was the best concert I've ever been to!!! Marcus Mumford is such a talented and skilled musician. I had mosh pit tickets and I was on the railings in the front row. I'll say it again: it was amazing! The bassist had an Ampeg 810 on it's side with a SVT VR head. He also had a Gallien Krueger speaker next to it. Not sure what it was for. He played a Fender Jazz and an upright. So when you fellas get the chance, treat yourselves and go see them!

[One Drop]

Moshing at the Mumfords?

[AdamR]

Originally Posted by One Drop

Moshing at the Mumfords?

LOL, thats what I was thinking.

Maybe he was running the upright through the GK.

[Tunaman]

5 pages... wow.
Good times

I'm putting my GK NEO 412 sideways next practice, just for fun

[AdamR]

actually look at the neo 412, its 2 neo 212 stack on top of each other sideways.

[oldschoolkyle]

They should have won for best country or folk album. They play them on the rock stations here in the tampa bay area... they are not rock. I like their style and sound, but the problem I have had with them is, you one one album, you have them all...

[Biggbass]

Horizontal 810 are actually a fairly common set up, especially now that IEMs are
in such widespread use.

[Tunaman]

Originally Posted by Biggbass

Horizontal 810 are actually a fairly common set up, especially now that IEMs are
in such widespread use.

Screw the crowd as long as i hear well, ha ha ! Excellent !

[dukeisdog]

Originally Posted by chuck3

I think he's saying that it was all for show - that no one would actually play an 8 x 10 laid down sideways.

But that it didn't matter sonically, just visually, because it was all going through the FOH anyway.

Isnt the height of 2X810 stacked sideways the same height as a regular standing 810e?

I realize its frowned upon now and dont have the time to read up on it all but what's wrong with doing this if it's not like the speakers are going to be sitting at knee level anyway with two cabs stacked sideways.

[dukeisdog]

Originally Posted by Tunaman

Screw the crowd as long as i hear well, ha ha ! Excellent !

My cab on stage really is only for my bandmates and I to hear on stage as everything is generally run FOH anyway. No need for the crowd to hear whats coming out of my cab really.

[Basstreble]

I know you wouldn't think that there'd be a mosh pit at that type of concert. But since Marcus was playing a kick drum, he kept a very lively, fast tempo, and running beat throughout the concert. And his type of guitar playing style was very upbeat which made it great to jump to. It was great!

[Vince Klortho]

Originally Posted by dukeisdog

Isnt the height of 2X810 stacked sideways the same height as a regular standing 810e?

I realize its frowned upon now and dont have the time to read up on it all but what's wrong with doing this if it's not like the speakers are going to be sitting at knee level anyway with two cabs stacked sideways.

The only thing wrong with it is having to wrestle one of those cabinets on top of the other. In either orientation it is still a 4x4 array of speakers.

I was watching some festival or another on TV and I noticed a bass player with four of those cabinets arranged in sideways stacks. The only reason I could figure for him doing that is he had Scottish flags on the grills of his two top cabinets. Again, it is the same 8x4 array that he would have either way but the flags fit nicer when they are stacked.

[arambass]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUFxj59Fa9o

[atrapp]

It is truly amazing that bass players survived playing live before fearfuls, barefaced and audio kinesis taught us all that we've been doing it WRONG for 50 years

Someone call David Nordschow and tell him he better put a check in the mail to every sap that bought a 4 x 10 from Eden... post haste gosh darn it . After you've spoken with David, please call Ampeg and berate them for selling so some many 8 x 10 cabs, because even if they sound good they are just plain wrong!!!

[Jack]

Originally Posted by atrapp

It is truly amazing that bass players survived playing live before fearfuls, barefaced and audio kinesis taught us all that we've been doing it WRONG for 50 years

Someone call David Nordschow and tell him he better put a check in the mail to every sap that bought a 4 x 10 from Eden... post haste gosh darn it . After you've spoken with David, please call Ampeg and berate them for selling so some many 8 x 10 cabs, because even if they sound good they are just plain wrong!!!

Obviously your post was tongue in cheek and such but there are actually some valid points raised there. 8x10"s were popular because there had to be a great many speakers to handle the power of an SVT (you actually had to use 2 fridges with the original SVT to maintain the warranty) and because there were so many speakers they had to be reasonably small so that the cabinets were semitransportable. Speakers back then just couldn't take what the SVT was dishing out. Thus the 8x10" was born. Not out of audio design, but necessity. Why was the SVT so powerful in the first place? Because PA systems were largely rubbish and for vocals only.

As for the Eden 4x10, I believe that was as much to do with getting as much volume out of as small a box as possible, although I could be wrong.

Nowadays, PA systems are everywhere. Amps can have a bazillion watts in a box the size of a hamster's gonads and we can have one speaker with a motor strong enough to handle all of them. People DI, there are IEMs. We are finally free to use cabinets that are designed properly, not out of necessity. It's not a new idea at all, just look at the Dead's wall of sound. It's just that now it's become practical and cheap. It doesn't help that any online community but especially Talkbass is incredibly fashion-conscious. These cabinets are cool round here. Give it a month and whilst the science wont have changed people may well be less vocal.

[JimmyM]

They've been pretty vocal about cabs like that for a few decades now. 3-way cabs for bass didn't just spring up out of nowhere. I've known of players using them in the 70's and early 80's.

[Tunaman]

Originally Posted by alexclaber

If the rest of the band have great monitors and the FOH PA is big, then using big cabs (or lots of big cabs) on their sides, or stacked up to make a wide array, is a great way of giving the bassist a 'hot-spot' to loiter in without the band being annoyed by how loud they are on stage. I've heard Steve Harris of Iron Maiden specifically refer to his 2x2 arrangement of 4x12" cabs like this, so he can hear lots of himself when he wants to and then step away and he gets quieter.

Great for BIG gigs with awesome PA systems but terrible if that bass rig is providing a significant part of the stage and FOH bass sound.

This !!!

Dude, thanks for stopping by on the thread! Barefaced Rocks!