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Old 03-09-2011, 10:58 PM
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Hartke 210TP cab with new Carvin speakers?

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Long story short - can I put new Carvin PS10-8's in my Hartke 210TP cab and have it sound good?

I am thinking of this speaker(s): Carvin.com :: PS10-8

All I can find is the Hartke 210TP, which is NOT my model. All my cab has is a metal plate on the side handle which states "Hartke HS210T 100w, S/N 101003". It's old school.

I am using a Carvin R1000, BBE 362, rack tuner, Ibanez active basses, playing with a pick at drop D, half step down, or Db rather, it's rated at 225w per side at 8ohms, and had the power amp set at 5 out of 10, one side only.

First:
I bought a used Hartke HS210T from Guitar Center for a practice cab. $100. I cannot find any info on this model. Google is not being helpful here.

It is not a bad 2x10, don't get me wrong (at mid volumes), but nothing in comparison to my Carvin gear. I bought the Guitar Center warranty which covers speakers, so maybe I should just just play happy and see what happens. BUT, being safe, I had to completely scoop the mids, but boost the bass to +3, but as such, it was just "adequate" in a small practice space.

So I thought that was adequate to NOT blow the cab, but I still heard the Hartke "farting" and rattling on the low D during hard hits. And I let the speakers warm up a good ten minutes after my house, to car, to practice space.

Second:
I started looking at Carvin replacement speakers, but I cannot find what enclosure they best fit it in, or are tuned for.
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Old 03-10-2011, 05:08 AM
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You might be asking too much of two tens in general. Especially in a box that may have a cutoff frequency that's way above the frequency where you're asking for output from that box, though we'd have to know all the internal dimensions of the box (H, W, D, port/slot count, port/slot dimensions H/W/L) to say for sure.

FYI, Carvin drivers' T-S parameters are available at the "View Product Manual" link over on the right side of whatever driver's page you're looking at. Looks like that ten ought to work in just about anything, but again the question is whether that box will provide the necessary environment to allow ANY driver to do what you're asking it to do, at the volume you're asking it to do it.

Your assumptions around power capacity and power-amp gain settings are wrong. Power capacity is thermal and is ridiculously optimistic when it comes to typical BG use. And gain settings are no more than that -- gain settings; they have nothing to do with establishing a power limit.
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Old 03-10-2011, 05:52 AM
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Short answer, throwing a random speaker into a box that it wasn't designed for is a roll of the dice. You can, however, model perspective drivers with a tool like winisd. Carvin provides the TS specs and it's up to the consumer to make sure they will work in a particular box.

You are asking a lot of a 2x10 w/ Dd tuning, boosted lows/scooped mids, and a 700w @ 8 ohm amp. The solution is likely more speakers, not different ones. Even the best pair of 10 can't keep up with that much wattage & tone profile without farting out.

If you want to hear yourself better with a 2x10 you are probably going to have to change how you eq. Boost the mids and cut the lows.

Theres no such thing as speakers warming up...well there is, but not in a good way as you imply.
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