Help me 2 x 212 or 210

andyp13 · #1 05-23-2011, 11:55 AM

Decided to go for an TC RH450 head with two TC cabs... My dilemma is that the music shops near me will not get the TC cabs in unless I pay for them first (soundslive & guitarguitar) I don't know if I should order 2x RS212 or 2 x RS210 or do I go for one of each?

I am pretty new to bass gear (former guitarist)... I want a modern sound but with a nice low end etc I am using a Warwick bass.

Andy

Russell L · #2 05-23-2011, 02:12 PM

Someone's gonna ask: what kind of music and stage volume? Also, how much weight and bulk are you willing to move around?

rockstarbassist · #3 05-23-2011, 02:15 PM

2x212's are just awesome. Love love love the config and the flexibility. I just use one for rehearsals and both for most all gigs. Both my guitards have stacks, so if we wanna spread it all out on each side of the drum riser we can too.

Sundogue · #4 05-23-2011, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by rockstarbassist

...so if we wanna spread it all out on each side of the drum riser we can too.

Better to keep the cabs together as a single point source and just turn one of the cabs to point in another direction.

Separating them will only cause phase cancellation in your low end.

cybersnyder · #5 05-23-2011, 03:12 PM

Just wanted to make sure you know that the RH750 is available. If you're buying a head and two cabs, I don't think budget is the overwhelming factor and you may like the extra 300 watts.

dmrogers · #6 05-23-2011, 03:19 PM

I would stay with the same type of cabs if it were me. Personally, I would lean toward the 2x12, but I have never played through TC so I could say with any authority . I like the 12's I am playing through. It's gonna be tough deciding if you can't play through them. Maybe someone will give you enough info for you to make a educated decision.

rockstarbassist · #7 05-23-2011, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundogue

Better to keep the cabs together as a single point source and just turn one of the cabs to point in another direction.

Separating them will only cause phase cancellation in your low end.

We do just fine but I appreciate your concern, joey dahlia

**Thor** · #8 05-23-2011, 03:22 PM

I'd muscle the 12's myself.

will33 · #9 05-23-2011, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sundogue

Better to keep the cabs together as a single point source and just turn one of the cabs to point in another direction.

Separating them will only cause phase cancellation in your low end.

+1

OP, it all depends on what your volume needs are. A pair of 210's should take care of about anything, 1 for practice, small gigs, 2 for everything else. A single 212 should cover about anything up to the point where you should be DI'd to the PA making your rig just a stage monitor for the band. A pair of 212's might be wanted on large outdoor stages or for competing with cranked halfstacks when the PA is inadequate for carrying the bass.

And yeah, don't be spreading the cabs around the stage. Keep them together and when possible, stack them so the speakers are lined up vertically. That spreads the sound out better and gets speakers closer to ear level making it easier to hear yourself.

britainblues · #10 05-23-2011, 03:30 PM

I got the 450 and 12's. 99% of the time I use the single 212 for stage monitor the rest goes FOH.

Eublet · #11 05-23-2011, 08:01 PM

I ultimately disliked the RS212. I love the RS210 and have two of them. Traded my RS212 to get a 2nd RS210. Much punchier and less wooly sounding.

andyp13 · #12 05-24-2011, 12:05 AM

wow, I still don't know which to get, I play in a northern soul band doing festivals, but also play in a band where i need that modern kind of Warwick sound.
What about the 210 + 212 mix.
Will the 212 give me enough bottom end? I've been using a warwicK ccl 210 combo (for sale) with a cab consisting of a 1 x 15. I get plenty of low end as well as a nice top click, but it's a big rig, that's why I'm looking at the RH450 with RS cabs but is it 12's 10's or mix?

MuzikMan · #13 05-24-2011, 05:43 AM

Mixing them won't give you the predicatable combination of low end and mid clarity that you think they will. You are MUCH better off sticking with two of the same type. It is a mistake to generalize tone based on speaker size. If that is your concern then you simply need to try them. My guess is that both cabs cans be EQ'ed to sound like each other, but that is only a guess.

4-string · #14 05-24-2011, 05:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MuzikMan

Mixing them won't give you the predicatable combination of low end and mid clarity that you think they will. You are MUCH better off sticking with two of the same type. It is a mistake to generalize tone based on speaker size. If that is your concern then you simply need to try them. My guess is that both cabs cans be EQ'ed to sound like each other, but that is only a guess.

This is probably spot on. However, I decided to go for one of each as that is the only way I get to try both cabs.

If I prefer one over the other, or they don't mix well, I could always sell one and get one more of the other later.

MuzikMan · #15 05-24-2011, 06:24 AM

That sounds like a plan. It's the only way you get to try both.

Eublet · #16 05-24-2011, 06:52 AM

There are a lot of folks here who like the RS210/212 combo. I wasn't one of them. It sounded good outdoors because the 212 does have more heft and authority. Indoors however, I felt like the sound was difficult to control. EQ'ing to keep the 212 from being to big caused the 210 to sound too thin. I think having dual 212's would have been better, but because I prefer the punchier tone of the RS210, I got a second one of those instead. When stacked vertically, the sound is quite punchy and easy to hear. I find that turning the horn of the bottom cab is crucial for me. For a thicker, less upper-mid present tone, they can be stacked horizontally.

husky123 · #17 05-24-2011, 06:56 AM

This is a timely thread because I'm in a similar situation. I have the RH750 and have picked up (2) RS112's for cheap. I'm trying to decide on:

a. another 112
b. 212
c. 210

TC makes it tough on ya! Or maybe easy depending on how you look at it.

Eublet · #18 05-24-2011, 07:04 AM

My preference has always been to dial in a bit more bass on a tight, punchy cab than it has been to have a deep sounding cab that always needed taming. The latter seems to be an ever-losing battle for me, so I've given up on it for good at this point. What I love about the RS210's is that they retain that mid punch when you add more bottom. They're necessarily upper-mid aggressive cabs either. Dialing up bass makes them sound fat in a mix without any loss of clarity. The RS212 didn't do that at all. I'm skeptical that the RS112 would accomplish that either, based on so many here who have said they have much more bottom than the RS210. IMO, the RS210's are just about perfect for me.

Eublet · #19 05-24-2011, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBoyWithABass

I've been looking for a bass amp
I m going to spend 150 euros
Ampeg ba-108 or behringer bxl900??
Other suggestions???
Im going to play in a band, but i also wanna hace a good sound
What shoupd i doo!???

You'll get better responses if you start your own thread with an appropriate title.

jeff7bass · #20 05-24-2011, 09:44 AM

If I knew I was going to play with two cabs most of the time, I might go for the 210’s. Since it’s likely I would only be using one cab most of the time, I’d likely opt for the 212’s.
I don’t really know the sonic characteristics of the TC cabs though. The 210’s might sound better, especially if you like midrange frequencies over depth. Like the one fellow said,
you can dial up the bass on a pair of 210’s for all the low-end you’ll probably ever need, but getting articulate tone from a pair of 212’s might be more difficult. I think it depends
on how loud you expect to play because larger speakers tend to get that good tone at higher volume levels than smaller speakers.