Which high-wattage speaker cab?

[BogeyBass]

400, 800 , 1000 heck even 2000 watts wont get you anywhere.

A 210 has very little efficiency that is the problem.

just a little wimpy 300 watts
is clean overhead....if...if

you have a very efficient system and then heck 150watts can be good enough.

What? your crazy

Yep as mentioned more speakers, or simple just more efficient
speakers will get you alot further.

the difference between a 93dB little 10" compared to a 98dB 15" can be hundreds of watts to get to the same level.

Minimum is a pair of speakers and in this case a 2x15 is a really really good place to start. 210 can barely handle 150 real world watts. dont care if the manufacture says its 400 or whatever.

Real world most 15's in the 4 to 5mm xmax range dont handle much more than 150watts either. Pair them up then its a 300 watt cabinet.

But again the difference between a 96dB 210 and a 103 dB 2x15
is a huge amount. and you only need clean 200 to 300 watts of power. past that point your hitting speaker distortion.

blah blah yah super woofers can go to 1000 watts or so.
but they are less efficient ...so you just pump more watts in them to get to the same place.

[Kmonk]

Originally Posted by Floyd Eye

Dude, no way you need that kind of power. Are you playing stadiums? Do you not have PA support?

+1

If he is playing small venues he wouldn't need that amount of power. Even if he was playing stadiums, he wouldn't need it either. Let the PA do the work. I think we musicians sometimes think that bigger is better and that it looks cool. Unless it is adding something significant to your sound, there is no need for it.

[clejw]

Sounds like your suffering trying to keep up with guitar players that have amps that are too big and turned up too high. I bet your drummer breaks sticks all the time too, sending dangerous shards of hickory flying in random directions.

Assuming you really do need a louder rig, look on criagslist for an 810 bass cab. Any old brand should be just fine, just play test it, putting your ear next to each driver before you fork over the cash and cram it into your hatchback.

Run your amp in mono bridge, or maybe dual mono if the 810 has two inputs. The next step will be to set your max level. One theory is to just turn the power amp up all the way and use the preamp output to adjust the level. Alternately, you can set the poweramp level directly. Having the power amp turned up all the way may be easier to keep track of your max settings. Either way, play loudly though the system with a clean sound with no effects and gain set just below any overdrive. Start soft and gradually turn up until you hear the first hint of distortion, then go back down a notch. This is the max sound you'll be able to get. Don't be tempted to turn up past this point in rehearsals or gigs. You won't get any more sound, you'll just distort your tone and wreck your speakers. Be careful if you turn up your gain to get that classic overdrive sound, you'll have to turn down the output level at the same time.

[iualum]

Isn't the problem going to be that there are so very few drivers that are both rated for high RMS and are 4 ohms?

Here's a Faital 12 that's available in 4 ohms. 45Hz-4kHz response. 97dB SPL. A 412 using it would result in a 4 ohm total load. It'd get you to 2000 RMS. Would be a monster.

http://www.usspeaker.com/faital%20pro%2012fh500-1.htm

[CL400Peavey]

Originally Posted by Foz

Sounds like you got plenty of amp - get mo better speakers.

Hate to shop?

http://www.barryaudiodesign.com/index.html

Put an order in with your local GB authorized builder BAD for either a f215 or a 66 and don't look back.

http://www.barryaudiodesign.com/fearful-15-systems.html

http://www.barryaudiodesign.com/fearless-215.html

My $0.02

+1

Listen to this man!

[Vince Klortho]

Originally Posted by Rusty the Scoob

I need a speaker cab or cabs that'll take 2500 watts twice a weekend without damage. Something fairly clean and uncolored, and hopefully fairly light but roadworthy. I prefer 15"s over 10"s but I'm open to suggestions. What would you get?

Try a Hartke HyDrive 810 cabinet. It handles 2000W and weighs 135 pounds. It should get pretty loud.

[JimmyM]

Originally Posted by Vince Klortho

Try a Hartke HyDrive 810 cabinet. It handles 2000W and weighs 135 pounds. It should get pretty loud.

This is done with no disrespect to Larry or the great products he makes, but 2000w is what will cause the speakers to blow voice coils. No way that cab will take 2000w real world. Best I ever heard an 810 do is about the 800-1000w mark. I imagine since Hydrives have neo magnets they can take a little more wattage than the ceramic magnet speakers in the Ampeg 810e (the 810e is rated 800w but that's real world...it would do 1200w before the voice coils blow), but not much more. Again, not a slam on Hartke products by any means...I think they're pretty great and very reasonably priced, especially the Hydrives...but hey...

Anyway, good luck getting a single cab to handle an honest 2000w.

[Floyd Eye]

Much less 2400.

[tbirdsp]

Originally Posted by MontanaBassDude

Already, one guy has already called you "wrong", "insane" and "nuts".

The "wrong" part was when he said he rather do taxes than shop for gear!

And note I said "insane" and "nuts" TO ME. Use whatever you want. Hope you wear earplugs.

[dincz]

Originally Posted by Mr. Foxen

If having lots of watts is the aim, rather than being loud enough, try this: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Oil-Filled...896#vi-content

Looks almost perfect. Dead flat - zero SPL at all frequencies. But it's over 20 ohms

[TheRealKong]

Ever heared / thought of Tecamp cabs? they built some real nice cabs that are able to handle a lots of wattage, are loud as hell and have a fine sound with a huge low end.

I use a Tecamp L 810, 2400 W RMS @ 4 Ohm, also available in 8 Ohm, mine is switchable to 16 Ohm, 105 dB, so it is pretty loud, and the icing on the cake: It is only 86 lbs! he cab has one horn with a tweeter switching system, you can dial in a sweeter or more agressive high end.

Another monster of a cab is the Tecamp Bad Cab, loadet with 2 x 15'', 2 x 12'' and 4 x 10'' plus the same switchable horn. As seen at the L 810, it has 2400 Watts @ 4 Ohm, also available in 8 Ohm. Weight is 119 lbs, a bit more than my L 810, because of the bigger woofers. Sensibility is similar to my cab, 105 dB.

So these are cabs that will hold the horses of wattage, they are loud, lightweight because of intelligent design and neodymium woofers. My L 810 gets fired up by a 1200 Watt GenzBenz GBE 1200. I am f***ing loud enough, believe me.

Ciao

Uwe

[RS66LB]

...a couple of these should work fine (plus they're kind of pretty) http://www.bettermusic.com.au/mesa-b...-4x12-bass-cab

[TheRealKong]

Yeah, and you save money for never again needing a gym for muscle training - when houling them around. Nice cabs, but heavy as fu*k!

Ciao

Uwe