How can 250w cut the mustard in a gig situation? - Page 12

Bassmec · #**221** 02-06-2013, 02:30 AM

Doesn't this sort of depend on the sort of band you are in, perhaps
we should post pictures of bands with the estimated size of bass
rig required:

A 1X10 Combo?.

Guess I am going to need an SVT 810 rig or two.

bmc · #**222** 02-06-2013, 02:42 AM

Definitely need the rows of SVT's and Marshalls to wow the crowd in that last picture. Stage wise, if value your earing, there's no need to be much louder than the first band. As strange as that seems.

Arjank · #**223** 02-06-2013, 02:49 AM

That's a good one Bassmec.
Maybe we should define a gig/rig ratio

The higher the ratio the worst the outcome.
A value of 1 is good
A value lower then 1 starts to become overkill.....

rigs:
10" 100watt combo = 1
210" 200watt combo = 2
......inbetween rigs.....
2x810 + 1000watt2 amp = 10

gigs:
The Who coverband = 10
....inbetween gigs...
Carpenters meat-n-potatoes bass support = 1

e.g.
The Who coverband / 10"100 watt combo = 10 = bad
The Who coverband / 2x810 + 1000watts amp = 1 = perfect
Carpenters / 2x810 + 1000watts amp = 0.1 = overkill

lbbc · #**224** 02-06-2013, 03:07 AM

I'm in a 4-piece classic rock band and we have a "relatively" low/balanced stage volume....because 3 and 4 part vocals are our main focus. With that being said, I play thru a Carvin BX600 and Ganz Benz 212 neo cab...plenty of quality sound and volume. I have played with and without PA support depending upon the venue...doesn't really matter to me (as long as I get heard in the mix).

**Stumbo** · #**225** 02-08-2013, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by lbbc

...doesn't really matter to me (as long as I get heard in the mix.

Words to live by...

majortoby · #**226** 02-08-2013, 12:38 PM

This has really gone downhill fast.

Sartori · #**227** 02-08-2013, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by bmc

Definitely need the rows of SVT's and Marshalls to wow the crowd in that last picture. Stage wise, if value your earing, there's no need to be much louder than the first band. As strange as that seems.

Oh my gods, it's like so many people on here have never heard of this amazing new invention called "ear plugs."

JimmyM · #**228** 02-08-2013, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sartori

Oh my gods, it's like so many people on here have never heard of this amazing new invention called "ear plugs."

I hate ear plugs. Why turn up so loud you need them?

Downunderwonder · #**229** 02-08-2013, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by JimmyM

I hate ear plugs. Why turn up so loud you need them?

Guitards.

JimmyM · #**230** 02-08-2013, 02:03 PM

Glad I play in bands with grown-ups

Downunderwonder · #**231** 02-08-2013, 02:04 PM

3 kids start a rock band. Gat kid's combo blows away bass kid's combo so bass kid gets a bigger combo or a small stack. Next week he's facing down a 100w stack.

bmc · #**232** 02-08-2013, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JimmyM

Glad I play in bands with grown-ups

+1 and not just in garages

preside · #**233** 02-08-2013, 03:23 PM

I think we need to just get this over with... Lay em on the table Montana boys I'll be right back with a ruler.

adk teleman · #**234** 02-08-2013, 03:58 PM

Man....I just use a BBE 383 bass Preamp into a Fender Rumble 150 combo and am heard just fine....maybe it is because i am old...LOL

Codger · #**235** 02-08-2013, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by JimmyM

I hate ear plugs. Why turn up so loud you need them?

Totally. I use them now out of fear of making my tinnitus worse, and regardless of the gig. Unfortunately they obviate the hearing of any nuance of tone. OTOH, I can use any rig, good or lousy and it always sounds the same.

HunterBurgan4Me · #**236** 02-08-2013, 04:31 PM

I don't see why anyone wouldn't want to be through a P.A system

Downunderwonder · #**237** 02-08-2013, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Codger

Totally. I use them now out of fear of making my tinnitus worse, and regardless of the gig. Unfortunately they obviate the hearing of any nuance of tone. OTOH, I can use any rig, good or lousy and it always sounds the same.

I'm in the same boat. Foam ones are bad for tone. I use Etymotic brand, they cut a little more in the high end than truly flat but pretty good for the money.

JimmyM · #**238** 02-08-2013, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by HunterBurgan4Me

I don't see why anyone wouldn't want to be through a P.A system

I can see it. Some rigs just sound that good and some PA's just sound that bad. But in a good PA, always for me.

Sartori · #**239** 02-08-2013, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by HunterBurgan4Me

I don't see why anyone wouldn't want to be through a P.A system

Depends whether the PA system is any good, and also whether the soundperson is competent.

Also, my amp is part of my instrument. The sound of my bass by itself is not the sound of the whole instrument.

Sartori · #**240** 02-09-2013, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by JimmyM

I hate ear plugs. Why turn up so loud you need them?

Even with ear plugs in, sounds different that way, feels different that way. Sometimes genres are just that loud.

I use ear plugs as a matter of course for metal stuff I play, especially the doom stuff.

However, I get really pissed off if the drummer of my folk/rock band plays so loud that I feel like using them.

It's all about what volume level is appropriate for the musical context I'm in. Expecting that I'll need ear plugs at a doom show is pretty reasonable. I shouldn't have to bring them for folk/rock gigs though.