How can Avatar sell their Neo 410 so cheap?

[will33]

Originally Posted by bobcruz

From the eBay link:

"You are bidding on a Brand New Avatar B410 Bass guitar speaker cabinet that is loaded with four Celestion BN10-300 NEO 10s and a Foster Compression horn tweeter."

It's the Celstion driver with 4 mm Xmax: http://celestion.com/product/45/bn10300x/

That'd be a good one then. Should handle about anything about up to the point everybody's in the PA. Might leave you wanting for a little more oomph on a largish outdoor festival type stage but that's about it as far as raw output, without getting into dispersion and personal tone preferences and all that stuff.

[PlungerModerno]

Originally Posted by CL400Peavey

The problem is the 4 Ohm oem 3015lf they use doesnt have the same capabilities of the commercially available 8 Ohm 3015LF. It gives up a lot to come in at a 4 Ohm impedance.

Fair enough. Then it seems like a few corners are cut at some point or another to get it out there for that price.
Bulk buying on the 8Ohm 3015LF Plus the mass produced crossovers and cab structures might bring the cost up a bit and performance up a lot - but you'd have to meet geenboy's authorized builder criteria to use one of those designs - I guess that's the people at Avatar's decision to make, should they want to.

It's interesting that there's a more budget 3-way bass cab out there, I'm not aware of many (or any) others that are on the scale of avatar or bigger???

[will33]

Anybody ever put the 4ohm Avatar woofer in a woofer tester or other measurement device? You can't change one spec without affecting some other at least somewhat, but if it's on a 3015LF platform, it'd really take some doing to neuter it all that much. The excursion and output of that driver is one that actually makes sense to do in 4ohm for a lot of common bass amps and general output needs of a lot of players. IMO, dual 3015LF's and watts numbering in the thousands says you need to be investing that stuff in PA, not just bass rigs.

[PlungerModerno]

Originally Posted by will33

Anybody ever put the 4ohm Avatar woofer in a woofer tester or other measurement device? You can't change one spec without affecting some other at least somewhat, but if it's on a 3015LF platform, it'd really take some doing to neuter it all that much. The excursion and output of that driver is one that actually makes sense to do in 4ohm for a lot of common bass amps and general output needs of a lot of players. IMO, dual 3015LF's and watts numbering in the thousands says you need to be investing that stuff in PA, not just bass rigs.

Sounds like a good idea, you can't have too much good testing. A few measurements with the driver, the cab (on and off axis) and such would really allow a better informed comparison to other 3-way bass cabs.

P.S. A part of me feels GAS for a 3 way cab - but I am so loving my Compact what I really want is a second one. Got nowhere to put it ATM though. And I can't afford one for a another while! It uses the 3015 non LF driver and it has a very sweet tone. Not hi-fi or full range but plenty of lows and mids with just a hint of high high mids & treble (around 4kHz) which is enough top for my current purposes.

[shoot-r]

Originally Posted by CL400Peavey

They also start with a few standardized cabinet sizes and change up the baffles depending on the cab they are building. They make their existing cabs work ok around the drivers they want to use, not design the cabs around those same drivers. This cuts down on their R&D a bit.

As does almost all commercial bass cabinet manufacturers.

Berg as an example...NV 610 and the NV 412...same cab, different baffle arrangement, same with their AE and HD 410 and 210 cabinets.

[Foz]

Ya kinda heavy, and ya, the 4 ohm version of the woof makes some compromises, also, you probably make significant compromises versus fEARful xover and that mid driver aint no 180 watt 6nd410... so meh... I gotta say maybe you should look at gluing up a flat pack for about the same money [trade some labor for some better parts and a more refined design].

http://www.speakerhardware.com/fearf...driver-kit.php

My $0.02 anyway - YMMV

[CL400Peavey]

Originally Posted by shoot-r

As does almost all commercial bass cabinet manufacturers.

Berg as an example...NV 610 and the NV 412...same cab, different baffle arrangement, same with their AE and HD 410 and 210 cabinets.

Just because lots of people do something, doesnt make it right. Why do all the big box manufacturers do it? Price points.

[shoot-r]

Originally Posted by CL400Peavey

Just because lots of people do something, doesnt make it right. Why do all the big box manufacturers do it? Price points.

True, and also so that their cabinets can be securely stacked and give a better visual apperance.

It's just that most on this forum tend to point at Avatar as if their the "only" manufacturer doing this because their inexpensive, when in reality it's almost ALL commercial bass cabinet manufacturers doing this, (even the one's with the highest price points.)