how do you know when enougth is enougth???

elavate7 · #1 04-26-2010, 09:06 PM

i have a 200 watt head, 120 at 8 ohm. my first cab was a 4x8, but i just added a 210. i got a second cab because i thought i needed the extra speakers, but now im starting to think its overkill. im in a church band with 2 keyboards who run 350 watt combos, a guitarist with a 40 watt combo ( who soon wants to get a stack), a hard hitting drummer, and latin percussions on the side. im thinking of taking the 210 out but im not sure...

Rumblefisher · #2 04-26-2010, 09:11 PM

there's an "enough" ? When did this happen?! Why wasn't I told?!

Rumblefisher · #3 04-26-2010, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by elavate7

i have a 200 watt head, 120 at 8 ohm. my first cab was a 4x8, but i just added a 210. i got a second cab because i thought i needed the extra speakers, but now im starting to think its overkill. im in a church band with 2 keyboards who run 350 watt combos, a guitarist with a 40 watt combo ( who soon wants to get a stack), a hard hitting drummer, and latin percussions on the side. im thinking of taking the 210 out but im not sure...

I'd actually sell the 4x8 and get another 2x10.

Gearhead17 · #4 04-26-2010, 09:22 PM

I also suggest selling the 4x8 for a 210 or getting another 4x8. Matching cabs are best for volume and tone concerns. Your rig is never truly overkill unless you have like 8 bass cabs behind you going full blast and you are truly drowning everyone out. Even then, a few simple knob turns and you can make even that rig work well in a lower volume situation. Overkill rigs are the way to go in the bass world - you can always turn it down and/or diminish a tone so it fits in the venue you are playing!

elavate7 · #5 04-26-2010, 10:14 PM

well alot of pple run 410+115 so whats the difference from my 4x8+210???? im just curious bout the matching speaker statement.......

RFord04 · #6 04-26-2010, 10:19 PM

It works sometimes, to some peoples ears, but a lot of people would agree that its best to match speaker sizes for a number of reasons. Do a search on "matching speaker sizes" and you'll find a lot.

elavate7 · #7 04-26-2010, 10:28 PM

matching speakers

tallboybass · #8 04-26-2010, 10:33 PM

enougth is enough when there's no "t" in it.

Gearhead17 · #9 04-26-2010, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by elavate7

matching speakers

Two of the same speaker cabs will always be louder and sound more uniform than mismatched cabs. Different bass cabs project tone and volume in different ways and combining two different cabs can cause phase cancellation. You basically will not hear certain parts of your tone with mismatched cabs BUT, mismatched cabs can give you a tone like no other! If you want to experiment, go right ahead! The best way to look at it - if you like the cab you have now, buy another and you will get more of everything you like. If you want a more unique tone, try different cabs together.

Orco87 · #10 04-26-2010, 10:47 PM

you know you got enough when you're not pushing your rig hard, can turn up and drown everyone else out, and you can play and be heard at a relatively low (amp) master volume and mix very well in the band. IMO, that's when you know you got enough.

+1 to previous post as well.

lazyone2 · #11 04-27-2010, 07:41 AM

Enough is never Enough!

PastorofMuppets · #12 04-27-2010, 07:48 AM

strangely a scene from Ground hog day is playing in my mind.

well you can always use a little more... am I right or am i right ,, right right.

i_got_a_mohawk · #13 04-27-2010, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by elavate7

well alot of pple run 410+115 so whats the difference from my 4x8+210???? im just curious bout the matching speaker statement.......

Just because people do it doesn't mean it's right

Alexander · #14 04-27-2010, 08:07 AM

Certainly not overkill in my opinion as you can always turn down as needed. That said, I've been playing an SVT through a Bergantino NV412 in our church - so not sure how much you'll get from me on the sensibility front...

MooseKnuckle · #15 04-27-2010, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by elavate7

guitarist with a 40 watt combo ( who soon wants to get a stack)

Time to start looking for an 8x10 rig!!!

Bass4Gsus · #16 04-27-2010, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by i_got_a_mohawk

Originally Posted by elavate7
well alot of pple run 410+115 so whats the difference from my 4x8+210???? im just curious bout the matching speaker statement.......

Just because people do it doesn't mean it's right

Sorry if this seems obvious,

What about a bi amp head (I know not original question), one preamp with two power amps inside. I now have a bi-amp 1000W head with a 410 and 115 but now with a 5 string, it doesn't handle the low B. I have a 210Neo on order which I plan on running by itself, but If I need more speaker I thought I would add the 410 on the high freq amp and put the 210 on the low freg amp since it can handle the lower frequency.

Since I eventually plan on getting a 500w mono 5lb head, (to save another 30lbs of lugging) adding the 410 to the 210Neo would appear to be a bad idea for that 500w mono head, correct??.

For my main use, the 210Neo and 500w mono head is plenty, but in the lucky chance I need more speaker I expected to bring out the 1000W bi-amp head with the 410 and 210Neo in bi-amp mode. This should be good, correct??

Thanks

sikamikanico · #17 04-27-2010, 09:08 AM

it's hard to say when it's enough, but you will definitely know when it's too much

lomo · #18 04-27-2010, 09:10 AM

As The Dead said: Too much of everything is just enough!

kenlacam · #19 04-27-2010, 09:10 AM

when your spell-check fails miserably....

Jim Nazium · #20 04-27-2010, 09:13 AM

When you play the open E and it sets off car alarms in the parking lot?