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10-17-2011, 09:51 AM
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Any one have a good link or reference that explains the whole speakers, amp, sound and loud thang? I was reading the "are two 100W amps louder than a 200W amp post and still not tracking with the feedback.
Actually, is there a chart that describes the folowing:
Let's jst use 500hz as the source freq.
@ 1w a 1x10 = xx db
@ 1w a 2x10 = xx db
@ 1w a 4x10 = xx db
@ 1w a 1x12 = xx db
@ 1w a 2x12 = xx db
@ 1w a 4x12 = xx db
etc, etc.
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10-17-2011, 09:59 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: austin,tx | | | It's not that simple. At 500hz. For example, one 10" driver might play 91db and another 96db, a signficant difference. Basically size doesn't matter. |
10-17-2011, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by will33  Basically size doesn't matter. | Its how you use it 
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10-17-2011, 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Toastfuzz Its how you use it | Will, You HAD to have known that was coming!!
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10-17-2011, 10:28 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Vancouver | | | Well, size matters to a certain degree in terms of volume and dispersion. However, size doesn't dictate an inherent tone. Loudness depends a lot on sensitivity and maximum excursion. Most companies will give you the thermal rating of their cabs but the maximum mechanical limits of the speakers are well under this figure.
IIRC, BFM has said something along the lines of. It's more cost-efficient to reproduce low frequencies with large drivers, but as you go up in frequency, dispersion gets worse until the crossover frequency, and the mid/high drivers take over. |
10-17-2011, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by will33 It's not that simple. At 500hz. For example, one 10" driver might play 91db and another 96db, a signficant difference. Basically size doesn't matter. | This. Sensitivity for individual drivers and frequency response for those drivers are highly divergent. Also, the box that drivers are in can make a big difference as well.
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10-17-2011, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by BassmanPaul Will, You HAD to have known that was coming!! | Bait for the usual "that's what she said" jokes.  |
10-17-2011, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Alex1984 Well, size matters to a certain degree in terms of volume and dispersion. However, size doesn't dictate an inherent tone. Loudness depends a lot on sensitivity and maximum excursion. Most companies will give you the thermal rating of their cabs but the maximum mechanical limits of the speakers are well under this figure.
IIRC, BFM has said something along the lines of. It's more cost-efficient to reproduce low frequencies with large drivers, but as you go up in frequency, dispersion gets worse until the crossover frequency, and the mid/high drivers take over. | True, a 15" cone moving say 3mm displaces more air than a 10" cone moving the same 3mm. That's also just one of a very many things to consider in speaker design. |
10-17-2011, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by will33 Bait for the usual "that's what she said" jokes. | Would you have rather me said "Bigger is always better"? Then he'd be wondering why that 8x10 stack is putting his 2x15's to shame!
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10-17-2011, 11:06 AM
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10-17-2011, 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by xray is there a chart that describes the folowing:
Let's jst use 500hz as the source freq.
@ 1w a 1x10 = xx db
@ 1w a 2x10 = xx db
@ 1w a 4x10 = xx db
@ 1w a 1x12 = xx db
@ 1w a 2x12 = xx db
@ 1w a 4x12 = xx db
etc, etc. | No, because power and driver complement are only two variables in an equation that involves no less than fifteen variables. |
10-17-2011, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Toastfuzz Would you have rather me said "Bigger is always better"? Then he'd be wondering why that 8x10 stack is putting his 2x15's to shame! | Maybe. Output in the lows is all about displacement. While the single 10 may not move as much air as the single 15 you do have 8 of them moving instead of 2. Throw response in the mix and the 215 could still have more output in the very lower frequencies. Depends on a bunch of other design parameters. |
10-17-2011, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by will33 Output in the lows is all about displacement. | Trying to make this a bad sexual innuendo joke, failing miserably... 
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10-17-2011, 11:30 AM
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10-17-2011, 11:39 AM
| | | Here's a list of articles by the Barefaced folks I just started reading. Good Stuff.
Seems to be along the lines of Gallien's thinking. Barefaced Bass - BGM Columns
This is playing to what I'm hearing when I stand in the crowd and listen to other players. While I'm using a GK MB115 Combo & love the tone, I'm needing more power soon.
Played through a GK NEO 412 which was nice & I'm sure I'd be happy with, but PA guy kinda killed my adjustments. Hearing another player with great tone and cutting through using 2 GK NEO cabinets. Researching.
Keep it coming. Thanks.
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10-17-2011, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Toastfuzz Trying to make this a bad sexual innuendo joke, failing miserably... |  |
10-17-2011, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Toastfuzz Trying to make this a bad sexual innuendo joke, failing miserably... | I thought for sure this would go somewhere with a deep bottom or something similar
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10-17-2011, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by RobertUI I thought for sure this would go somewhere with a deep bottom or something similar | It was going to have something to do with my obsession with badonkadonk, but I figured no one would find it funny while I'm creepily cackling away in my cubicle
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10-17-2011, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Bredian Here's a list of articles by the Barefaced folks I just started reading. Good Stuff.
Seems to be along the lines of Gallien's thinking. Barefaced Bass - BGM Columns
This is playing to what I'm hearing when I stand in the crowd and listen to other players. While I'm using a GK MB115 Combo & love the tone, I'm needing more power soon.
Played through a GK NEO 412 which was nice & I'm sure I'd be happy with, but PA guy kinda killed my adjustments. Hearing another player with great tone and cutting through using 2 GK NEO cabinets. Researching.
Keep it coming. Thanks. | Thanks for the link - I’ve been eyeballing the Super 15. |
10-17-2011, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Toastfuzz It was going to have something to do with my obsession with badonkadonk, but I figured no one would find it funny while I'm creepily cackling away in my cubicle | +1 now it's ME creepily cacking in my cubicle 
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