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10-22-2010, 08:29 AM
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My main rig doesn't have one, but it's always off on my practice rig at home (YamahaBBT500H/210). Don't dig the shrill tones & have maybe played two cabs that had horns that didn't sound shrill... One being my Schroeder & the other being a Wayne Jones. | 
10-22-2010, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by zachoff My main rig doesn't have one, but it's always off on my practice rig at home (YamahaBBT500H/210). Don't dig the shrill tones & have maybe played two cabs that had horns that didn't sound shrill... One being my Schroeder & the other being a Wayne Jones. | I live the one in my 6x10.
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10-22-2010, 08:38 AM
|  | Keepin' the Groove Alive ! | | Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Stax 1966 | | | I'm one of the few who actually like the sound of a driver/tweeter. I think the key is to have an attenuator on the tweeter to tame it down a bit.
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10-22-2010, 08:44 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Bavaria | | | In my 12" DIY cabs, it is necessary to retain any high end.
With other cabs, I've never really used it because it wasn't necessary for my tone (and it sounds bad with distortion).
In my practice rig, the tweeter is turned on most of the time because of the drum computer in the effects loop. A drumkit sounds baaad when it's low passed at 5 kHz. | 
10-22-2010, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by jnewmark I'm one of the few who actually like the sound of a driver/tweeter. I think the key is to have an attenuator on the tweeter to tame it down a bit. | I have mine set at -12db. I know it's practically off, but I just can't bring myself to go all the way.....
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10-22-2010, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by jnewmark I'm one of the few who actually like the sound of a driver/tweeter | You are kidding right  Virtually every one of the 100 or so bass players I know and hang with use full range cabs and love them.
Of course, there are thousands of bassists who like an old school tone or use flatwound strings, or use distortion, where a tweeter would at best not matter, and at worst sound like dog.
And yes, to the OP, like anything else, a 'bad' tweeter sounds, well, bad
IMO, one of the things that causes at least some to not like tweeters is user error.. thinking that the 'noon' setting on an attenuator is 'flat' and hence the best setting. A tweeter will also lay poor technique brutally bare.
I always chuckle at this topic, with all the guys who say 'I play bass, not treble' and other idiotic rot. That is about the most ignorant comment I ever heard, since extending the top end of a cab has NOTHING to do with the low end response (and in some cases, allows you to use a driver that has MORE low end response  ).
Tweeters don't 'suck', and tweeters aren't applicable for all playing styles.
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10-22-2010, 09:07 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Central Illinois, USA | | | I like them. They can bring a clarity the the high controls on the amp (or the pre on the bass) don't. I play bass, not a drum, so I need the whole spectrum, not just lows.
I've had tweets in everything since I got a Hartley 4.5XL back around 1996. Since then I've used Eden D XLT cabs (410 & 212), E/A, and Avatar.
There are controls to tame the shrillness, on the amp, the cab, and the bass, as well as in your fingers.
John
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10-22-2010, 09:21 AM
|  | Keepin' the Groove Alive ! | | Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Stax 1966 | | Quote:
Originally Posted by KJung You are kidding right  Virtually every one of the 100 or so bass players I know and hang with use full range cabs and love them.
Of course, there are thousands of bassists who like an old school tone or use flatwound strings, or use distortion, where a tweeter would at best not matter, and at worst sound like dog.
And yes, to the OP, like anything else, a 'bad' tweeter sounds, well, bad
IMO, one of the things that causes at least some to not like tweeters is user error.. thinking that the 'noon' setting on an attenuator is 'flat' and hence the best setting. A tweeter will also lay poor technique brutally bare.
I always chuckle at this topic, with all the guys who say 'I play bass, not treble' and other idiotic rot. That is about the most ignorant comment I ever heard, since extending the top end of a cab has NOTHING to do with the low end response (and in some cases, allows you to use a driver that has MORE low end response  ).
Tweeters don't 'suck', and tweeters aren't applicable for all playing styles.
This post is not directed to you, but you gave me the excuse to rant  | +1, and I did'nt want to offend all those 12/6 and 15/6 users out there in bassland. 
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10-22-2010, 09:28 AM
|  | Yeah, I've got the moves like Jagger. | | Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: G.R. MI | | Quote:
Originally Posted by KJung A tweeter will also lay poor technique brutally bare.
| Dang! That smarts man! 
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10-22-2010, 09:42 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Tampa, FL | | | The tweeters on my Eden cabs sounded OK as long as they were turned down a bit. I can go either way depending on the cab, and the gig
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10-22-2010, 09:56 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Coeur d'Alene | | | I'm using a coax Bag End, so the tweeter is pretty much full blast. I'm not a stainless string, crazy slap guy either. I'm using a P bass with flats (although I do still slap them when the occasion calls for it), so I guess I'm in a real minority.
I think the tweeter really adds a lot on the top that I feel I'm missing with tweeterless cabs.
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10-22-2010, 10:45 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Chicago | | | I'm a big tweeter fan. I'm using a GK 700RB-II and the dual tweeter and woofer volumes is just an awesome option when using their bi-amp feature.
Right now I have the woofer at dead 12 and the tweeter around 2. | 
10-22-2010, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Mola Ram I'm a big tweeter fan. I'm using a GK 700RB-II and the dual tweeter and woofer volumes is just an awesome option when using their bi-amp feature.
Right now I have the woofer at dead 12 and the tweeter around 2. | That's a unique and interesting implementation of a two way cab. The biamp allows you to grind up the woofers a bit with that classic GK grind, and then put some pure, clean upper treble over that classic 'one way cab warmth and grind, and even all out distortion'. Pretty slick. | 
10-22-2010, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Phalex Dang! That smarts man!  |  Hey, me too.... it can really send you to the woodshed sometimes. | 
10-22-2010, 11:11 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Chester, Pa.,USA | | | At some point I will disable the tweeter on my Ampeg BA115 to get rid of the hiss they are notorious for. I doubt I'll miss it, I'm going for an old school tone anyway.
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10-22-2010, 11:14 AM
| | | | I use one cab with a tweet and one without (112s), the tweeter attenuator is set halfway up, highs are slightly backed of with the EQ. Love it adding some glassyness to the tone. And I don't even think it sounds bad with distortion, although I don't use a lot and I don't add redicoulous amounts of highs. | 
10-22-2010, 11:28 AM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: N.H. | | | I use them on both of my cabs. Eden 2x10 XST, Acme Series II 2x10.
I like then because they have attenuators and you can adjust as needed or not. | 
10-22-2010, 11:40 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Albuquerque NM; Austin TX | | | I prefer to leave the tweeter full on, and turn down the highs on the eq. This prevents getting a nice sound on the amp while sending a brutally "crisp" tone to the sound guy.
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10-22-2010, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by KJung That's a unique and interesting implementation of a two way cab. The biamp allows you to grind up the woofers a bit with that classic GK grind, and then put some pure, clean upper treble over that classic 'one way cab warmth and grind, and even all out distortion'. Pretty slick. | I completely agree. Being able to dial those in separately was the reason I went with GK in the first place. Though I'm probably ruining that a bit by also using an overdrive pedal, right... | 
10-22-2010, 11:56 AM
| | | | I generally find that tweeters add a lot of presence and high-end definition that just can't be achieved with normal drivers. I usually have a tweeter on and tweaked for the room. With that said, coaxial drivers sound more natural to my ears.
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