how to Replace my 8x10 with 2 2x10s and get the same volume ?? GK content

cbass1 · #1 08-26-2010, 11:09 AM

Or could be written, Tired of lugging around big heavy 4x10's, want to get some 2x10's stacked vertical to do the same job. I have what I feel are the two loudest and punchiest 4x10's ever. they are the GK 410sbxII, 800watt sealed monsters, I have tried so many other brands and they all pale by comparison, I am running a GK1001rbII (best amp ever) and playing mostly rock and red dirt.

SO....does anyone have experience with a couple of 2x10's that might keep up. I have been looking hard at Aguilar db210 and the GK neo210 (the wedgy ones with the higher watt ratings)

I know this topic comes up, but I tried to search specifically for reviews on the GK210 and nothing came up that answered my questions.

NoGraveConcern · #2 08-26-2010, 11:12 AM

Buy 2 2x10 cabs that you like, stack vertically, plug into amp, done.

Volume will be higher everywhere except that narrow band directly in front of the cab.

MNAirHead · #3 08-26-2010, 11:17 AM

I know you asked for 10s.

I've seen Norm Stockton play his 2x12 without PA support.. about a 5,000 foot room with 200 people in it..

Zero distortion from is neo 2x12.. his website should say exactly the primary setup.

Fridges are cool.. until you have to move them.

cbass1 · #4 08-26-2010, 11:27 AM

I hear ya on the 12's, but man I have tried 212's and 412's and they are the bomb !! just not loud and punchy like I like 10's to be.

MNAirHead · #5 08-26-2010, 11:42 AM

Seriously.. not sure what his exact setup was off the top of my head.. loud and punchy with upper end clarity.

He was using a Neo cabinet... he has the ability to pick anything in the GK line.

http://www.normstockton.com/faq/index.html#gear

Can't count on these clips being from the amp
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnZfx...eature=related

It is a live recording from a clinic

Plstrns · #6 08-26-2010, 11:45 AM

According to GK, those 410's have a 102 db sensitivity and are - 5db down @ 36 hz. Not bad for a sealed cabinet

If you believe those numbers, it's not possible to do with half the speakers.

cbass1 · #7 08-26-2010, 11:55 AM

Oh yeah, those 410's are that awesome, not sure why they stopped building them, AND... I know that two 210s are not going to be as loud as two 410's but am I gonna be in the ballpark with 2 gk or aggy 210s or horribly depressed when they start farting out everywhere when I am looking for more volume.

okcrum · #8 08-26-2010, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by NoGraveConcern

Buy 2 2x10 cabs that you like, stack vertically, plug into amp, done.

Volume will be higher everywhere except that narrow band directly in front of the cab.

This is your best bet. Be careful to add some padding or put feet on the narrow edges of the cabs, so they don't make godawful noises rattling against each other when you stack 'em and crank them up. They stay put better that way too.

somegeezer · #9 08-26-2010, 12:01 PM

Tis just more speakers that gives more volume really. But if you really just need to trim the weight down that badly, you'll have to deal with the decrease in volume.

silky smoove · #10 08-26-2010, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Plstrns

According to GK, those 410's have a 102 db sensitivity and are - 5db down @ 36 hz. Not bad for a sealed cabinet

I'm no speaker/cabinet expert, but I don't believe those numbers when we're discussing a sealed cabinet.

BigOldHarry · #11 08-26-2010, 12:17 PM

at first blush, this seems like a crazy thread - you just can't get the same mass of air being pushed by 4 speakers that you do by 8....

That said - if you have a so-so 8x10 and really great 2x10s, I can see it. I know I get amazing output from my Epifani 2x10s, but they were nutty expensive...

cbass1 · #12 08-26-2010, 12:45 PM

[quote=BigOldHarry;9618290] you just can't get the same mass of air being pushed by 4 speakers that you do by 8....QUOTE]

Right I mentioned that before, I am aware of this fact......So let's put it to the masses this way, guys what are some killer high output 210's on the market, anyone have experience with the GK's in question?

Plstrns · #13 08-26-2010, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by silky smoove

I'm no speaker/cabinet expert, but I don't believe those numbers when we're discussing a sealed cabinet.

I'm no expert either, but those numbers are silly IMO.

I'm sure there's some 210's (x2) that can keep with the performance of those 410's. If we only had some REAL numbers from the manufacturers they could be identified.

4 vertical speakers don't have to deal with the cancelling from the speakers beside them. They don't need to move as much air.

PSPookie · #14 08-26-2010, 01:16 PM

I'd be willing to bet that a pair of the GB Uber 210s will make you smile. Plus you wouldn't have to lug around so much wallet weight

okcrum · #15 08-26-2010, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BigOldHarry

at first blush, this seems like a crazy thread - you just can't get the same mass of air being pushed by 4 speakers that you do by 8....

That said - if you have a so-so 8x10 and really great 2x10s, I can see it. I know I get amazing output from my Epifani 2x10s, but they were nutty expensive...

Yeah, not only that but the 4x10s OP has now are sealed, so he's got a decent chance with some good ported 2x10s. I agree, he's gonna pay for some real low end though. Avatars won't cut this, though Carvins just might. That's about as low end as I'd go. The 2x2x12 suggestion has merit too, a couple of Avatars could rock there.

THORRR · #16 08-26-2010, 01:21 PM

Have you considered the Avatar B410 neo cabs?
I got 2 of them to replace my heavy GK's - They pump incredible sound, tone and volume and only weigh 64 lbs apiece which is pretty easy to haul around. I pop 2 of them in the backseat of my Toyota no problem. And my Markbass 800 head is about the size of a car radio but packs an incredible 800 watts of power with great audio flexibility.
see: www.avatarspeakers.com

Gibbsalot · #17 08-26-2010, 01:26 PM

I'm digging the eden 210xst and 210xlt vertical stack. (XST on bottom)

Bassdirty · #18 08-26-2010, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cbass1

Right I mentioned that before, I am aware of this fact......So let's put it to the masses this way, guys what are some killer high output 210's on the market, anyone have experience with the GK's in question?

Well...
I've played a gig with 2 of the GK 210's you're asking about.

First, a lil background....

I was at GC one day and was tryin out all kinds o stuff, one item was the 500 watt GK ultralite head just to see whats up (I used to own the 1001rb, thru my swr410, and I concur with you.)
So..The GK ultralite 500 watt dealio sounded like...well.. not as good as I expected.
It was runnin thru a markbass cab 210.

SO...jump to a couple months later, we were openin for a freind of mine, and the bassist said I could use his rig...
the GK ultra lite 500 watt unit.

so..I'm thinkin its gonna be all yucky and whatnot...HOWEVER...he had 2 of those GK 210's you speak of.

Long story short..

....sounded friggin awesome.

So Good to the point that those will be my next speakers.
(with a new 1001rb tho)

If it sounded that good with that little GK 500...I can only imagine...

As always try before you buy, but thats my opinion.
(let me know if you go for it tho, I wanna see how it turns out)

THORRR · #19 08-26-2010, 01:33 PM

Yeah - those Markbass speakers are great - I can't argue with that. They're high excursion speakers like the ones in my Avatar cabs - meaning they have a lot of throw (for those nubes out there reading this) and move a LOT of air.

I almost got the Markbass 410 cabs when I was shopping, but opted for Avatar at half the price and the way they handle the sound is the same to my ears. For the money I saved,
I bought another Jazz bass!

BigOldHarry · #20 08-26-2010, 01:41 PM

I re-read the OP - Yeah, GK cabs are servicable but *not* premium...

I think I'd put my little Epifani stack of two 2x10"s up against two GK 4x10"s, both for volume and tone. But I wonder - how much less money are those two GK 4x10"s that an Epi NYC 2x10"? They may be a wash...

The new NYC version of my cab are their "performance" series... I'm thinking they are pretty spendy...

A quick look on line... the "Better" GK cabs are $599 for a 4x10; The Epi UL 2x10" are $799, and I have to think the performance cabs are more... So GK is a better deal...