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01-10-2011, 03:43 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Wausau, WI | | | It's a 210 combo AND modular 110 separates all in one......
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Yes, it's kind of a 210 combo, but also two separate modular 110/6 cabs, amphead, cab stand, accessory box, dolly and hand cart all in one rig.
Some of you know I've been playing through a DIY 210/6 cab with a Carvin BX1200 amphead. I don't really play any gigs that requires tons of stage volume and I kind of got tired of dragging around my 47 lb. 210/6 so I'd considered splitting it up into two lighter and smaller 110/6 cabs. But I still needed to haul my amphead and cords and other accessories.
I looked at all the obstacles I encounter on most all my gigs.
Hauling my rig from my house to my truck and back in.
Unloading and hauling my rig to bars, meaning uneven or rough parking lots, curbs, steps, stages, etc.
Having to carry my amphead AND another case for all my accessories, cords and what-have-you in addition to my rig.
Getting my cab up off the floor and what to put it on or tilt it back.
Onstage, I move my rig around for the right placement on stage and sometimes need to move it afterwards to get behind it for some reason, so I always liked having it on wheels to move it easy. Having it on wheels also made it easy to roll it into a gig, but sometimes I would encounter obstacles like curbs or something that I couldn't easily wheel it over. So in that case a hand cart made more sense, but using a hand cart meant not using wheels as on my dolly.
Sometimes a gig required hauling it up steps (always going up and down steps just getting my rig to my truck or back in the house after) so having it all on a hand cart wasn't always easy either. I hate using bungie cords and it was a pain anyway because the amp head and accessory case was difficult to strap down...and carrying my 210/6 up and down stairs was a pain too.
No matter what gig I had, something was always an impediment in some way or another. So this setup is the result of taking care of my needs.
Everything in this rig is latched together to become it's own hand cart and can come apart as needed. The bottom is my accessory box but it also is a furniture dolly on four heavy duty wheels. It's also the bottom of the hand cart using the heavy duty wheels on the back of it.
Each cab is a 110/6 using BP102's and tuned to 49Hz mated with a 6" mid driver. Each 110/6 cab weighs only 22 lbs. and has only one handle on the side (with rubber feet on the other side to set down on).
The amphead is my Carvin BX1200 (bi-ampable with it's own crossover and output controls) but it's in a new case to match the cabs. The amphead case has a handle on the side for carrying as before, but also on top and when latched down to the cabs, it becomes the handle of the handcart.
Now no matter what I encounter I have everything covered. It's a 210/6+6 combo when the head and two cabs are latched together. Or simply a 110/6 combo for rehearsals. If I need to carry anything up or down stairs, it unlatches and no component weighs more than 22 lbs. (head and cabs being 22 lbs. each). I can wheel it around like on a dolly, and when I hit rough areas, curbs and such, I simply tilt it back into the handcart position.
Onstage I can wheel it into position, turn it around to hook everything up and turn it back around on it's wheels. The bottom is the cab stand to get my cabs off the floor to hear easier.
All in all, I love everything about it. It sounds as good as my old 210/6 rig but this is easier to manage. I still have to do a little bit of tweaking tonally as these 110/6 cabs are voiced slightly different, but not much.
Required pics (total height is 39" X 20" wide and 15" deep)... 
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01-10-2011, 03:52 PM
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01-10-2011, 03:59 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Central CA Coast | | outstanding, great solution, congrats!  | 
01-10-2011, 03:59 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Ireland | | | Oooooooooooooo......... I think I'm in love!!!!!!! Seriously - I am very much digging every aspect of what you've done here. Well done indeed.
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01-10-2011, 04:00 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Central CA Coast | | so when will we see these at Guitar Center?  | 
01-10-2011, 04:06 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metro D.C. and Brooklyn, NY | | | Ho.Ly.Crap!!!! that is amazing, dude! Totally different than I had imagined....and a very quick turnaround, I must say!
I love it,
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01-10-2011, 04:21 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Wausau, WI | | Quote:
Originally Posted by eastcoasteddie Ho.Ly.Crap!!!! that is amazing, dude! Totally different than I had imagined....and a very quick turnaround, I must say!
I love it, | Thanks guys. I spent the last week building it...just a few minutes here and there. The bulk of my time was just cutting it all out and then the old glue and screw using 1/2" plywood.
Nope, not available at GC.  Just for my own personal use.
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01-10-2011, 04:25 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Parke County, Indiana | | | That's pretty brilliant - do the latches rattle at all when playing? | 
01-10-2011, 04:58 PM
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Originally Posted by TC2112 That's pretty brilliant - do the latches rattle at all when playing? | Nope. The cabs and amphead case have 1/4" thick rubber feet under them and when latched down they are REAL tight.
The wheels (for the hand cart part) on the back of the bottom case/dolly do rattle though. I now have some foam that I stuff in between the wheels and their brackets while playing to eliminate that rattling.
I had thought about making a drawer in the front of the bottom so I could access that when the cabs and head are latched on, but I thought that might vibrate. It's easy enough to take the head and cabs off during setup and take everything I need out of it. If I can build a vibration-free drawer in the bottom, that would be ideal. The bottom case is open on it's top, but framed in all the way around to support the cabs, but to access anything inside the cabs and head must be removed.
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01-10-2011, 08:28 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Madison, WI | | | Nice!
That is a really creative solution. I really like the fact that the whole dealio can be modularly turned into one chunk of mass - that really helps for the stairs.
That Carvin head built for biamping is an experimenter's dream come true!
I'm convinced that playing smaller gigs brings the most challenging logistics situations.
Just thinking back on my challenges over the past six months. Fun stuff like 100 + yards of soggy lawn between the car and the beer tent at fireman's picnics. Jazz gigs buried deep in the bowels of some maze like hotel. And my personal favorite - the choir loft with two stories of wet tile stairs that the car is two blocks away from.
I'm (thanks to you) one step closer to putting my table saw into action. Inspiring build.
Jim
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01-10-2011, 08:49 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: austin,tx | | Quote:
Originally Posted by Sundogue Yes, it's kind of a 210 combo, but also two separate modular 110/6 cabs, amphead, cab stand, accessory box, dolly and hand cart all in one rig.
Some of you know I've been playing through a DIY 210/6 cab with a Carvin BX1200 amphead. I don't really play any gigs that requires tons of stage volume and I kind of got tired of dragging around my 47 lb. 210/6 so I'd considered splitting it up into two lighter and smaller 110/6 cabs. But I still needed to haul my amphead and cords and other accessories.
I looked at all the obstacles I encounter on most all my gigs.
Hauling my rig from my house to my truck and back in.
Unloading and hauling my rig to bars, meaning uneven or rough parking lots, curbs, steps, stages, etc.
Having to carry my amphead AND another case for all my accessories, cords and what-have-you in addition to my rig.
Getting my cab up off the floor and what to put it on or tilt it back.
Onstage, I move my rig around for the right placement on stage and sometimes need to move it afterwards to get behind it for some reason, so I always liked having it on wheels to move it easy. Having it on wheels also made it easy to roll it into a gig, but sometimes I would encounter obstacles like curbs or something that I couldn't easily wheel it over. So in that case a hand cart made more sense, but using a hand cart meant not using wheels as on my dolly.
Sometimes a gig required hauling it up steps (always going up and down steps just getting my rig to my truck or back in the house after) so having it all on a hand cart wasn't always easy either. I hate using bungie cords and it was a pain anyway because the amp head and accessory case was difficult to strap down...and carrying my 210/6 up and down stairs was a pain too.
No matter what gig I had, something was always an impediment in some way or another. So this setup is the result of taking care of my needs.
Everything in this rig is latched together to become it's own hand cart and can come apart as needed. The bottom is my accessory box but it also is a furniture dolly on four heavy duty wheels. It's also the bottom of the hand cart using the heavy duty wheels on the back of it.
Each cab is a 110/6 using BP102's and tuned to 49Hz mated with a 6" mid driver. Each 110/6 cab weighs only 22 lbs. and has only one handle on the side (with rubber feet on the other side to set down on).
The amphead is my Carvin BX1200 (bi-ampable with it's own crossover and output controls) but it's in a new case to match the cabs. The amphead case has a handle on the side for carrying as before, but also on top and when latched down to the cabs, it becomes the handle of the handcart.
Now no matter what I encounter I have everything covered. It's a 210/6+6 combo when the head and two cabs are latched together. Or simply a 110/6 combo for rehearsals. If I need to carry anything up or down stairs, it unlatches and no component weighs more than 22 lbs. (head and cabs being 22 lbs. each). I can wheel it around like on a dolly, and when I hit rough areas, curbs and such, I simply tilt it back into the handcart position.
Onstage I can wheel it into position, turn it around to hook everything up and turn it back around on it's wheels. The bottom is the cab stand to get my cabs off the floor to hear easier.
All in all, I love everything about it. It sounds as good as my old 210/6 rig but this is easier to manage. I still have to do a little bit of tweaking tonally as these 110/6 cabs are voiced slightly different, but not much.
Required pics (total height is 39" X 20" wide and 15" deep)...  | Gotta say nice job on that one, man. I'm about halfway through doing a 212/6 jobby that similairly buckles together but breaks down into a head and 2 small cabs but you've taken it a couple steps further. I like the accessory case that doubles as an amp stand but the biggest plus I see there is both wheel configurations in one package, roll it around standing up straight and tilt back and become it's own dolly, now that's smart. Thumbs up on the technical side too, ample box volume and proper driver alignment. Even the covering's cool, it's a nice inbetween basic black and too flashy. | 
01-10-2011, 09:07 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Chico, Ca | | | Great concept, has my mind running with ideas.
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01-11-2011, 12:57 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Wausau, WI | | Thanks so much guys. I've had a lot of input from many about what I was going to do (mostly about the cabs themselves...of course being THE most important part of it  ) and the results are from reading the many threads from so many bass players who want an easier solution to hauling gear.
Here's some updated photos.
This one is of the whole thing apart...
And this one is with my bass to help show scale (although it's taken at an angle which distorts the perspective a bit)... 
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01-11-2011, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by will33 Gotta say nice job on that one, man. I'm about halfway through doing a 212/6 jobby that similairly buckles together but breaks down into a head and 2 small cabs but you've taken it a couple steps further. I like the accessory case that doubles as an amp stand but the biggest plus I see there is both wheel configurations in one package, roll it around standing up straight and tilt back and become it's own dolly, now that's smart. Thumbs up on the technical side too, ample box volume and proper driver alignment. Even the covering's cool, it's a nice inbetween basic black and too flashy. | Every time I've used my dolly, I've come across something that required a hand cart and visa versa. Thus this has both.
I had ample help designing the cabs and just went with basically cutting my 210/6 cab in half (not literally of course) with one ten and 6" mid in each. I went with a 6" midrange driver in each cab in case I want to keep one at rehearsal and one at home. Being able to control the output of the lows and mids separately makes having two mid drivers with only two tens (when one with the two 10's is sufficient) a moot point.
The "covering" is simply three coats of paint with the last two just a sponge paint technique. Then it's covered with satin poly. I've found it to be just as durable as anything else. None of my other cabs done the same way over the years show any abuse (even though they've sustained some) aside from broken corner protectors. Funny thing about corner protectors. The plastic ones just break in the winter and without them I've never had any dings on my cabs' corners. The irregular pattern of the sponge painting hides blemishes and is easily touched up if need be. CHEAP too. As an artist, I also paint murals and have many leftover colors to choose from.
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01-11-2011, 01:05 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Bezerkely, CA | | This is so effing epic I can't hardly stand it.
This is the last stop before someone (probably you) invents some sort of Transformers-type suit that enables us to wear our rig.  And it would also be a car.
Dude. Well done.
--Bomb
I have DLd all your pix with the preface "Sundogue's epic modular mobile tactical rig".
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01-11-2011, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by DizzyExiled Great concept, has my mind running with ideas. | Mine still is running with ideas. Like an angled back on the bottom case where the larger back wheels also double as the two back bottom wheels. Possibly adding a drawer in the bottom "case" so I don't have to empty it out before setting up. Have to figure out how to minimize vibration in doing that.
Also want to add a drink holder to it. 
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01-11-2011, 01:09 PM
|  | that video LIES | | Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Northern California | | | Very nice- must steal idea...
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01-11-2011, 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Adam Bomb This is so effing epic I can't hardly stand it.
This is the last stop before someone (probably you) invents some sort of Transformers-type suit that enables us to wear our rig.  And it would also be a car.
Dude. Well done.
--Bomb
I have DLd all your pix with the preface " Sundogue's epic modular mobile tactical rig". | Too funny.
I'm still thinking of other ways to mount each component. Like having the bottom case have a "hand cart" style pull up handle with a V-Groove where each component can be "slid down" the channel locking it in place instead of using latches.
I'm OCD. What can I say? 
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01-11-2011, 01:11 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Bezerkely, CA | | Would steal if could. Mine would look like something out of a Little Rascals episode. Would sound like it too.
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01-11-2011, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bassteban Very nice- must steal idea... | No need to. Have at it. I'm sure it can be perfected more than it is. And I'm sure it will be modded as I use it.
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