Jule Amps Monique Part 2.

[Baird6869]

If I play hard, I can nail that Flea tone with Monique with my Modulus or MTD easily.

Monique breaks up (overdrives?) the harder you play for sure.

Cliff Burton bass solo distortion ain't happening without effects though.

I don't use a ton of effects, but Monique seems to play nice with envelope filters and my crappy Boss Chorus.

Originally Posted by husky123

Hey guys,

I am DANGEROUSLY close to pulling the trigger on a rack mount Monique. For now, I'm thinking about pairing it with my MB800 or my Mesa M9. If it's not fussy about the power amp I'm leaning toward the MB800 since it's class D, light and 1U.

What I want to know though is will it bring enough grit without external pedals, etc.? I'm not talking full on OD or anything, just some nice, tubey grit that I'm addicted too with my '72 SVT.

You guys that play them is it reasonable to expect this much grit?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISwzvzi0nLc

Now before I get slammed, yes I know Flea here is playing a Wal, maybe through his GK 800RB and there is a lot of fret buzz but this is about all the grit I need. I just chose this as an example of the dirty tone I'm going after. Not too tart, not too sweet.

Also, I've read through but what are the EQ center points? Thanks fella's. I'm GASSING bigtime for one of these, just want to make sure it will pull off what I'm after.

[husky123]

Gotcha. Thanks everyone for your help and comments. She gets here Friday.

Originally Posted by Baird6869

If I play hard, I can nail that Flea tone with Monique with my Modulus or MTD easily.

Monique breaks up (overdrives?) the harder you play for sure.

Cliff Burton bass solo distortion ain't happening without effects though.

I don't use a ton of effects, but Monique seems to play nice with envelope filters and my crappy Boss Chorus.

[juledude]

Originally Posted by JimmyM

Thought you did that a month ago. Well it should be cool and cause a lot of folks to upgrade Very cool that Demeter is onboard with you.

Worked out what I think is going to be a very fun scene with James Demeter. Details http://www.juleamps.com/bass/de-monique.html

He is still waiting for pictures and such, but it is very real.

[nostatic]

Will the 800D Minnie be available separately for those of us that already have a Monique dove cage? Don't see that option on your site.

[metron]

Wow looks pretty awesome! Has the integration of the power amp been tested fully yet? Does the Mo power supply need to be modded at all or does it supply enough current to support the power amp? I saw on the Dem site that the power amp is transformer coupled to the pre. Is it the same configuration for the De-Mo?

[husky123]

Hey guys,

Like I mentioned mine will be here Friday and I cannot wait but I have ANOTHER (I know) question. I thought I remember someone on here pairing theirs with a GK MB800? Initially, that's the power section I plan to use by running it into the heads effects loop. I'm fairly sure this renders all the controls on my GK useless with the exception of the master. Is it best to run the GK's master wide open and use Monique's Line Out as my master?

[murphy]

Interesting hearing fleas' cuts on that youtube link................so great

[dmusic148]

Oh dear. I thought the power amp retrofit into HBP-1 was bad enough. My credit cards are very, very nervous. An 800 watt Bird Cage? What a horrifically wonderful time to be a bassist.

[nostatic]

If I read it right, the power amp will be built into the rack Monique, but will be a separate box for the birdcage and bamboo (with the same footprint).

Yes, bad for the budget. I play on running mine either into the front-end or the effects loop of my Pumas (either 500 or 900 depending on the gig), but a dedicated box would be cool and would give me plenty of options - preamp, power amp, two heads.

[chadds]

Yes now they've really gone and done it this time.

[donnercruz]

Originally Posted by nostatic

If I read it right, the power amp will be built into the rack Monique, but will be a separate box for the birdcage and bamboo (with the same footprint).

Yes, bad for the budget. I play on running mine either into the front-end or the effects loop of my Pumas (either 500 or 900 depending on the gig), but a dedicated box would be cool and would give me plenty of options - preamp, power amp, two heads.

You are reading that right. Jule and I have had quite a few conversations about the set up. (Jule, do you have an amp I can come by and try out?)

I've played with it both in the front end and in the effects loop of both my Walter Woods and my GB 9.2 Max. So far, the effects loop is much preferred. Seems like much better gain control.

[Baird6869]

The De-Monique is cool, but as a current dove cage owner, it would be hard to justify a $1000 standlone poweramp to just sit under the Monique. Lots of great 2000-3000w (bridged) <10lb power amps out there for $350-600.

I would be interested in an integrated rack Monique/Demeter if I didn't already have the standalone Monique pre though.

[juledude]

Originally Posted by nostatic

Will the 800D Minnie be available separately for those of us that already have a Monique dove cage? Don't see that option on your site.

Check again. It is there now.

[juledude]

Originally Posted by metron

Wow looks pretty awesome! Has the integration of the power amp been tested fully yet? Does the Mo power supply need to be modded at all or does it supply enough current to support the power amp? I saw on the Dem site that the power amp is transformer coupled to the pre. Is it the same configuration for the De-Mo?

A whole lot of testing, but I'll be happier when there are about 100 making music so we can all get feedback. James Demeter hasn't made a bad piece of gear that I know of. His telling statement to me was something like, "because of the big tube sound of Monique, she sounds even better through his 800D amp."

I've recommended that Demeter-Folk get on here at TB, but I think they are shy.

Everything is built inside and takes advantage of the power available in the Rack Mount Monique. He even borrowed my DC regulated filament supply.

The Stand-alone Minnie is a little different, but still made to order simple.

[juledude]

Originally Posted by nostatic

If I read it right, the power amp will be built into the rack Monique, but will be a separate box for the birdcage and bamboo (with the same footprint).

Yes, bad for the budget. I play on running mine either into the front-end or the effects loop of my Pumas (either 500 or 900 depending on the gig), but a dedicated box would be cool and would give me plenty of options - preamp, power amp, two heads.

You got it.

[juledude]

Originally Posted by donnercruz

You are reading that right. Jule and I have had quite a few conversations about the set up. (Jule, do you have an amp I can come by and try out?)

I've played with it both in the front end and in the effects loop of both my Walter Woods and my GB 9.2 Max. So far, the effects loop is much preferred. Seems like much better gain control.

Give James a bit of time to catch up, then come on by. You know what Jule Amps World Headquarters looks like.

Some folks will prefer putting Monique in through an Effects Return. That way you have eliminated all the front-end "character" as well as the redundant EQ of the amp. You then only have to keep track of one EQ and front-end.

Besides, she likes being in control.

[Kreken]

Originally Posted by husky123

Hey guys,

Like I mentioned mine will be here Friday and I cannot wait but I have ANOTHER (I know) question. I thought I remember someone on here pairing theirs with a GK MB800? Initially, that's the power section I plan to use by running it into the heads effects loop. I'm fairly sure this renders all the controls on my GK useless with the exception of the master. Is it best to run the GK's master wide open and use Monique's Line Out as my master?

First of all, congrats on getting a Monique!! Welcome to the club!

I, for one, am pairing my Monique with an MB800. So far, I've only used its power section(effects return, master volume only), but I plan to try Mon in front of the head as well at some point, just to find out how that sounds.

Although I have not tried diming the master volume on the GK, I suspect that could work well in a rather loud setting.

I do, however, use the Monique Line Level as my master. Mon and the MB800 play so well together, it's pretty much like having an amp with one gain(Mon sensitivity) and two master volumes(Mon line level + GK master). On second thought, pretty much the same concept as channel B on the MB800(except it sounds different, of course).

What I have done so far, is to set the line level of Monique at around noon(adjusting sensitivity to taste), and then raising GK master to a suitable level(around 9 o'clock with 1x15 cab for a singer/songwriter type gig with a drummer and P.A.-support.). For me it definitely works best to set the GK where I want it, and then do the small volume adjustments needed with the line level on Mon. It seems harder to make micro adjustments with the GK master because it gets louder real quick. Plus, the controls on Mon are so smooth!

I don't know if this is the ultimate way of doing things, but it certainly works very well. Tomorrow night I'll try turning the GK master up more, and lowering the Mon line level.

One other thing, which has been said before by others, is that Mon is remarkably quiet! I keep putting my ear close to the cab to listen for hiss/noise, but it's never there!

[husky123]

Kreken,

Thanks so much. That's exactly what I was after.

Originally Posted by Kreken

First of all, congrats on getting a Monique!! Welcome to the club!

I, for one, am pairing my Monique with an MB800. So far, I've only used its power section(effects return, master volume only), but I plan to try Mon in front of the head as well at some point, just to find out how that sounds.

Although I have not tried diming the master volume on the GK, I suspect that could work well in a rather loud setting.

I do, however, use the Monique Line Level as my master. Mon and the MB800 play so well together, it's pretty much like having an amp with one gain(Mon sensitivity) and two master volumes(Mon line level + GK master). On second thought, pretty much the same concept as channel B on the MB800(except it sounds different, of course).

What I have done so far, is to set the line level of Monique at around noon(adjusting sensitivity to taste), and then raising GK master to a suitable level(around 9 o'clock with 1x15 cab for a singer/songwriter type gig with a drummer and P.A.-support.). For me it definitely works best to set the GK where I want it, and then do the small volume adjustments needed with the line level on Mon. It seems harder to make micro adjustments with the GK master because it gets louder real quick. Plus, the controls on Mon are so smooth!

I don't know if this is the ultimate way of doing things, but it certainly works very well. Tomorrow night I'll try turning the GK master up more, and lowering the Mon line level.

One other thing, which has been said before by others, is that Mon is remarkably quiet! I keep putting my ear close to the cab to listen for hiss/noise, but it's never there!

[Baird6869]

Originally Posted by Kreken

I, for one, am pairing my Monique with an MB800. So far, I've only used its power section(effects return, master volume only), but I plan to try Mon in front of the head as well at some point, just to find out how that sounds.

I used Monique briefly with a GK MB Fusion and it sounded killer. Better into the effects return (the GK only as a poweramp) but pretty damned good using the Fusion pre in conjunction with Monique.

I prefer the dedicated poweramp though, but Monique seems to sound great with anything IME so far.

[nostatic]

mmm, glowing glass bottles...