Laying down an 8x10 on its side?

doctorpunch · #1 10-12-2010, 09:03 AM

During gigs I can hear my fridge fine because I'm 10-15' away but at practice I stand about 5' away and the guitar player's cabinet is on top of another one and it blasts in my face so I can't hear it at all. I was thinking about laying it down and angling it at a 45 degree angle so it shoots up at me.

Also, I'm thinking of getting a 2x15 to pair with it and laying one on top of the other, once again on its side.

Thoughts? Anbody else do this?

billfitzmaurice · #2 10-12-2010, 09:11 AM

When you place two drivers side by side the horizontal dispersion angle is half that of a single driver. With four drivers side by side dispersion is half of two. Leave the cab upright, tilt it back.

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the guitar player's cabinet is on top of another one and it blasts in my face

Move it.

Mr. Foxen · #3 10-12-2010, 09:12 AM

On their side is considered bad because it limits the dispersion to the sides, but if you are right in front of the cabs, then you are all good, might mean the guitarist hears less of you and thinks he is loud enough already too. Probably best pointing his cabs away from you, or pointing the 8x10 at him, and cranking the treble to a ridiculous degree, so he knows what it's like.

motherlode · #4 10-12-2010, 09:20 AM

Who hasn't had this problem, in ANY genre of music?
My advice is, ask the guitar player if he is having trouble hearing himself over the bass.......at this point, you might both want to have a hearing test done.
Best solution is, give the guitarist his own monitor mix, and put some of his guitar back at him through his monitor.
Most guitar players will turn up.............all night.........more and more...............I believe their hearing becomes more and more desensitized as the night goes on. They don't seem to understand, that if their amp is miked, them more they turn up, the most the sound guys has to turn it down, until the fader is at zero.
Then, they wonder why the band isn't getting booked there anymore.

Allen

BBEgo · #5 10-12-2010, 09:22 AM

Whenever I read "can't hear myself" and "blasts my face" in the same post, my first thought is you guys probably play too loud at band practice.

JimmyM · #6 10-12-2010, 09:45 AM

agreed, bb.

jackcheez · #7 10-12-2010, 09:50 AM

I used to stack two 8 X 10's, one on the other, on their sides. No ill effects that I could tell at the time.

Burlington · #8 10-12-2010, 09:53 AM

Sounds like a volume or EQ issue IMHO.

Adam Bomb · #9 10-12-2010, 09:53 AM

Devil's advocate:

Get that 215 to run along with the fridge. Point both at guitard and crank it. Until he dies.

--Bomb

p.s. Maybe wear earplugs

ga_edwards · #10 10-12-2010, 10:07 AM

Personally, and this is just my opinion, I would question the need for using and 8x10 and the guitarist using a full stack for practice.

I would go for much smaller cabs, like single speaker affairs so you can hear the detail and any mistakes, rather than competing for volume which can mask mistakes.

rockstarbassist · #11 10-12-2010, 10:29 AM

That's the problem with most reh spaces. Luckily for us, we have a long rectangular room so we are all spread out and we don't have to get stupid loud to hear everyone.

However in my last cover band, there were 5 of us PLUS the PA and 4 monitors in this tiny cement blocked room, and I was like 2' away from my rig, as was everyone else. So we just kept cranking it stupid loud so everyone could hear.

Either you all have to come to the agreement to turn down or find an angling solution that works. And in a cramped reh space, you should be wearing earplugs, no question! However you aren't gonna hurt your cab that way if that ends up working better, to actually answer the OP.

svtb15 · #12 10-12-2010, 10:37 AM

So a cab like the Bergantino 610.. since the speakers are diagonal... does that help in the side to side dispersion problem?

rockstarbassist · #13 10-12-2010, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by svtb15

So a cab like the Bergantino 610.. since the speakers are diagonal... does that help in the side to side dispersion problem?

It helps some, but 2-3' in front of your cab is 2-3' of your cab, no matter what it is!

pejsaboy · #14 10-12-2010, 11:20 AM

Damn guys... I hope you ALL wear decent earplugs. My band practices in about a 20'x25' barn loft (finished walls, hardwood floor, bare rafters) with everybody spread out. I play a 260w 2x10 combo, and the guitarist plays a 5w tube combo. We play pretty loud for what our amps can do, and the drummer and I both wear earplugs similar to these half in. I can't imagine PRACTICING with an 8x10 and a full guitar stack. That's just madness!

Burlington · #15 10-12-2010, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by pejsaboy

Damn guys... I hope you ALL wear decent earplugs. My band practices in about a 20'x25' barn loft (finished walls, hardwood floor, bare rafters) with everybody spread out. I play a 260w 2x10 combo, and the guitarist plays a 5w tube combo. We play pretty loud for what our amps can do, and the drummer and I both wear earplugs similar to these half in. I can't imagine PRACTICING with an 8x10 and a full guitar stack. That's just madness!

Well the thing is that most amps have this thing called a "volume knob" and if you turn that down enough you eventually don't need earplugs.

JimmyM · #16 10-12-2010, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by svtb15

So a cab like the Bergantino 610.. since the speakers are diagonal... does that help in the side to side dispersion problem?

it should be a little better at the top and bottom. in the middle...not so much.

doctorpunch · #17 10-12-2010, 03:44 PM

It's always a volume war. The drummer mics his whole kit, for practice!. I'm pretty sure if I asked someone to turn down or move their stuff I'd get kicked out of the band. The downside of being the bassist in any band is that you're the nice guy.

billfitzmaurice · #18 10-12-2010, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by doctorpunch

It's always a volume war... I'm pretty sure if I asked someone to turn down or move their stuff I'd get kicked out of the band.

That's not a band, and not worth your hearing to remain with.

jackcheez · #19 10-12-2010, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by doctorpunch

The downside of being the bassist in any band is that you're the nice guy.

Speak for yourself.

doctorpunch · #20 10-12-2010, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by billfitzmaurice

That's not a band, and not worth your hearing to remain with.

/Sarcasm?

My main concern is if I'm doing any damage to my cabinet if I do that. Regarding when I pair it with the 2x15, I think it would just make sense to have them one on top of the other instead of side by side.