A little on DNA cabs

[Munjibunga]

OK, I finally made it back over to Bass San Diego to try out some of the DNA cabs. (I got side-tracked as Mr. Plug Switcher helping Doug Parent A/B the AE410 and AE212 the other day.) Anyway, here are my first impressions.

DNS-410: Right off the bat, I like this cab. I was playing my MTD535-24 (to see how much I love it and whether I want to sell it) through a TC Electronic head. The cab sounds a lot like an Eden D410-XST, crisp on top and full on the bottom. It's perhaps a tiny bit scooped, but still has ample mids. Loud? Of course. David Nordschow personally assured me that it can handle an honest 1,400 watts (BFM's protestations notwithstanding).

DNS-210: The family relationship with the DNS-410 is quite evident, as is the distant cousin relationship to the Eden D210-XST. Again, it's loud and articulate over the full range. Nice and crisp. It could probably handle a medium-sized venue on its own.

DNS-115: I hate it. It's a 15. Muffy. Ick. I suppose you vintage-o-philes would love it. I hate it. I had hopes it would sound like a Bergantino HT-115 but, no, it doesn't. I hate it.

They had pretty much every cab in the line, and I didn't get to try out the neos or the little 112s. I'll get to them next time.

[Munjibunga]

BTW, for those of you who love the sound of 15s, my hating this cab is a good thing for you. It means that it sounds just like you want it to.

[JimmyM]

Originally Posted by Munjibunga

OK, I finally made it back over to Bass San Diego to try out some of the DNA cabs. (I got side-tracked as Mr. Plug Switcher helping Doug Parent A/B the AE410 and AE212 the other day.) Anyway, here are my first impressions.

DNS-410: Right off the bat, I like this cab. I was playing my MTD535-24 (to see how much I love it and whether I want to sell it) through a TC Electronic head. The cab sounds a lot like an Eden D410-XST, crisp on top and full on the bottom. It's perhaps a tiny bit scooped, but still has ample mids. Loud? Of course. Dave Nordschow personally assured me that it can handle an honest 1,400 watts (BFM's protestations notwithstanding).

i'll believe it when i see it. till then, i'm taking bill's word for it. if david nordschow truly designed a 410 that can take a legit 1400w real world, it would be the first. i'm sure it sounds great if you like that kind of thing. but 1400w? a 410? even 410's with neos can't do that.

[CapnSev]

Originally Posted by JimmyM

i'll believe it when i see it. till then, i'm taking bill's word for it. if david nordschow truly designed a 410 that can take a legit 1400w real world, it would be the first. i'm sure it sounds great if you like that kind of thing. but 1400w? a 410? even 410's with neos can't do that.

I had an Avatar Kappa 410 that could take an easy 1000 watts from my Crown power amp and love it.

Of course it also weighed 120 lbs, sucked power like a mofo, sounded like meh, and wanted to fall on its face all the time.

[christw]

Sounds like I would like the tone of those cabs. I do feel that the specs on it are too good to be true. Everything about them screams exaggeration. I find it hard to believe that this 410 will outperform every cab that I have ever owned or played through of the 410-610-810 variants. The claimed performance on that of paper is about equal to a Genz Benz Uber 810. Yeah...

[greenboy]

Another Alien Technology that no industrial espionage and reverse engineering can unravel? Is DNA headquartered near the Groom Lake facilities?

Or did they just get first dibs on some OEM Kappalite 3010? ; }

[Munjibunga]

Originally Posted by christw

Sounds like I would like the tone of those cabs. I do feel that the specs on it are too good to be true. Everything about them screams exaggeration. I find it hard to believe that this 410 will outperform every cab that I have ever owned or played through of the 410-610-810 variants. The claimed performance on that of paper is about equal to a Genz Benz Uber 810. Yeah...

I'm just reporting what was said. Regardless of the power handling capabilities, the cabs sound great (except the 15, unless you like that sort of thing).

[christw]

No worries, it's a shot I took at DNA once before. I felt like they fudged the numbers a bit.

That said, I understood what you were trying to convey about the tone and I wouldn't mind giving one a very rough try out.

[bobcruz]

The DNS 10s have conventional magnets, so no, they're not proto-kappalites.

[billfitzmaurice]

Originally Posted by CapnSev

I had an Avatar Kappa 410 that could take an easy 1000 watts from my Crown power amp and love it..

The Kappa Pro 10 is displacement limited to about 100 watts each; any more and they will fart out.
Just because you had a 1,000 watt amp doesn't mean you were sending 250 watts to each driver. If you did it would sound like the campfire scene in Blazing Saddles.
The same is true of the DNA claims. The 410 may have a 1400 watt thermal rating, but for a ten to handle 350 watts without farting out would require an xmax of no less than 12mm. Currently no such musical instrument driver exists.

[JimmyM]

i'm just glad i've never been the type to be impressed by big numbers. even if it did do 1400w, who the hell would want to send 1400w through a measley 410? tremendous waste of wattage imho.

[CapnSev]

Originally Posted by billfitzmaurice

The Kappa Pro 10 is displacement limited to about 100 watts each; any more and they will fart out.
Just because you had a 1,000 watt amp doesn't mean you were sending 250 watts to each driver. If you did it would sound like the campfire scene in Blazing Saddles.
The same is true of the DNA claims. The 410 may have a 1400 watt thermal rating, but for a ten to handle 350 watts without farting out would require an xmax of no less than 12mm. Currently no such musical instrument driver exists.

All I know is that I had that Crown juiced all the way into that cab, and it still got buried frequently. It was the worst cab I ever owned FYI.

[JAUQO III-X]

The DNA 410 is the loudest 410 cab I have ever heard. And I've pushed it on a few occasions. And it's a solid loud.


And my comments and experience with this cab has nothing to do with it supposedly handling 1,400 watts.

[hdracer]

The big question is, How much do they weigh? I sold off my Eden cabs because my 2 212's weighed more than a 810 Ampeg. good cabs but you needed a fork lift to move them.

[billfitzmaurice]

Originally Posted by CapnSev

All I know is that I had that Crown juiced all the way into that cab, and it still got buried frequently. It was the worst cab I ever owned FYI.

No surprise. The Kappa Pro Ten is intended for use as a PA midbass driver. It weighs a ton due to a large magnet, which gives it high sensitivity, but at the cost of low end response. It ended up in bass cabs because it had a 500 watt power rating, but as you found out the hard way that's not the way to choose a driver.

[Jazzdogg]

Originally Posted by Munjibunga

OK, I finally made it back over to Bass San Diego to try out some of the DNA cabs. (I got side-tracked as Mr. Plug Switcher helping Doug Parent A/B the AE410 and AE212 the other day.) Anyway, here are my first impressions.

DNS-410: Right off the bat, I like this cab. I was playing my MTD535-24 (to see how much I love it and whether I want to sell it) through a TC Electronic head. The cab sounds a lot like an Eden D410-XST, crisp on top and full on the bottom. It's perhaps a tiny bit scooped, but still has ample mids. Loud? Of course. David Nordschow personally assured me that it can handle an honest 1,400 watts (BFM's protestations notwithstanding).

DNS-210: The family relationship with the DNS-410 is quite evident, as is the distant cousin relationship to the Eden D210-XST. Again, it's loud and articulate over the full range. Nice and crisp. It could probably handle a medium-sized venue on its own.

DNS-115: I hate it. It's a 15. Muffy. Ick. I suppose you vintage-o-philes would love it. I hate it. I had hopes it would sound like a Bergantino HT-115 but, no, it doesn't. I hate it.

They had pretty much every cab in the line, and I didn't get to try out the neos or the little 112s. I'll get to them next time.

As I recall, you like a sound is really clear and bright. For comparison purposes, how similar are your tonal goals and KJungs, whose videos many of us have seen?

[Munjibunga]

Originally Posted by billfitzmaurice

The Kappa Pro 10 is displacement limited to about 100 watts each; any more and they will fart out.
Just because you had a 1,000 watt amp doesn't mean you were sending 250 watts to each driver. If you did it would sound like the campfire scene in Blazing Saddles.
The same is true of the DNA claims. The 410 may have a 1400 watt thermal rating, but for a ten to handle 350 watts without farting out would require an xmax of no less than 12mm. Currently no such musical instrument driver exists.

"How 'bout s'more beans, Mr. Taggart?"

[Munjibunga]

Originally Posted by Jazzdogg

As I recall, you like a sound is really clear and bright. For comparison purposes, how similar are your tonal goals and KJungs, whose videos many of us have seen?

My tonal goals are similar to Ken's. I like a clean, full-range tone, not too bright, but crisp. Since Ken hornswaggled me into buying that AE212, I've expanded my appreciation of what 12s do for your mids. Either way, I love a tight bottom end.

_{OK, you wags, I've set it up for you ... have at it.}

[Munjibunga]

Originally Posted by hdracer

The big question is, How much do they weigh? I sold off my Eden cabs because my 2 212's weighed more than a 810 Ampeg. good cabs but you needed a fork lift to move them.

The DNS-410 weighs 79 pounds, the 210 weighs 52 pounds. The 410 is 33 inches tall, though, due to that big ol' shelf port. It wouldn't have fit upright in my Venza, but the Venza is history, so the issue is moot.

So they're considerably lighter than the comparable Eden cabs.

[funkinbottom]

Originally Posted by billfitzmaurice

but for a ten to handle 350 watts without farting out would require an xmax of no less than 12mm. Currently no such musical instrument driver exists.

These come pretty close though.
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