Looking for good low end to match Warwick 211 Pro Cab

bassmusic17 · #1 01-15-2011, 03:41 PM

I keep going back and forth with the SWR Big Ben 1x18 and the Warwick 115 pro. I am not sure which one to get. The price is sweeter on the Warwick yet I know I wanna be felt as well as heard. Right now I am running The 211pro with a GK 410 cab into a Hartke LH1000. I am going to be getting rid of the GK 410(cheap cab. no low end). I dont want the Big Ben to drown out the 211 Pro, I still want to get those highs through. Which one do you think will be better for what I have. Thanks!

GrowlerBox · #2 01-15-2011, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by bassmusic17

I keep going back and forth with the SWR Big Ben 1x18 and the Warwick 115 pro. I am not sure which one to get. The price is sweeter on the Warwick yet I know I wanna be felt as well as heard. Right now I am running The 211pro with a GK 410 cab into a Hartke LH1000. I am going to be getting rid of the GK 410(cheap cab. no low end). I dont want the Big Ben to drown out the 211 Pro, I still want to get those highs through. Which one do you think will be better for what I have. Thanks!

Have a quick read through at least one of the innumerable threads on driver-mixing. I have the same Warwick cab, and it's not bad, but I haven't found anything that goes well with it other than another WCA 211 Pro. I don't know about the SWR, but the Warwick 15 doesn't go appreciably lower, and despite the marketing is not a good match for the 211. Larger speakers do not necessarily go any lower than smaller ones, and if they do, it's for reasons other than their diameter. Basically, if you like the 211, get another one -- you'll feel it, it will be louder and you will have more bottom end.

bassmusic17 · #3 01-15-2011, 04:01 PM

What about a WCA 411 Pro? Would that get good bottom end with the 211 or is it better to match cabinets exactly?

GrowlerBox · #4 01-15-2011, 04:11 PM

You're going to wind up driving the speakers in the 211 twice as hard as those in the 411, so you'll lose pretty much all the advantage you gain from the extra speakers. Plus, you wind up with all sorts of phasing issues in the standard 4 x 10 arrangement. Better, and cheaper, to get the second 211 and stack them end on end -- they're more than heavy and stable enough to do this -- to get the best of both worlds in terms of volume, mid/high-dispersion and portability.

Try it -- you'll like it

msmucr · #5 01-15-2011, 04:56 PM

+1 to all what GrowlerBox said,
this Warwick was part of friend's small rig for few years. When he looked for extension, it was pretty hard to match it with anything except same cab.
Although he ended with another bass rig and sell it, 2x211 Pro was best combination in shop, what we tested. Second cab really bring missing foundation to tone and helps with IMO quite hollow presentation of single cab.

Michal

bassmusic17 · #6 01-18-2011, 08:09 AM

Well reading all this makes me think I need to start from scratch and get rid of the 211 Pro altogether. My hope was to get booming lows(im talking ground shaking belly churning lows) while still being able to get the mids and highs through. I like playing chords and want to get the full range coming through while still making the ground shake. Say if I want the SWR Bag End 18in speaker, should I then get rid of the 211 Pro and look for something like a good 410 or 212 or should I just go for the full stack 810? Just seems that the most 10s I have played are too punchy and don't bring the kind of low end I am looking for. Would a 4x12 cab be the best for what I am aiming for. Kinda new to the science of speaker cabs. Have been recycling a lot of cabs until I find the right combination. Just wanted to be pointed in the right direction

GrowlerBox · #7 01-18-2011, 01:21 PM

Very briefly (as this subject has been covered in excruciating detail in other threads), speaker diameter is by far the least important factor in determining the tonal range of a speaker, to the extent that it should not really enter the equation. Other speaker parameters and the design of the cabinet in which it is housed are or immeasurably greater importance. Given that no commercial cabinet manufacturer produces useful specifications regarding their products, the only way to determine the value of the cabinet to you is to play it. Just don't avoid certain cabinets based on assumptions concerning speaker size.

okcrum · #8 01-18-2011, 01:29 PM

I use an Ampeg B115E with a WCA 211 Pro (or a pair of these setups if I need loud) and it sounds quite nice. If I'm playing 4 string I can use the 211 Pro (or a pair of them) and they sound good too.

bassmusic17 · #9 01-18-2011, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GrowlerBox

Very briefly (as this subject has been covered in excruciating detail in other threads), speaker diameter is by far the least important factor in determining the tonal range of a speaker, to the extent that it should not really enter the equation. Other speaker parameters and the design of the cabinet in which it is housed are or immeasurably greater importance. Given that no commercial cabinet manufacturer produces useful specifications regarding their products, the only way to determine the value of the cabinet to you is to play it. Just don't avoid certain cabinets based on assumptions concerning speaker size.

I understand that. I didn't mean to imply thats what I was talking about. What I wanted to know was that does 2 211 Pro get low or not. or is it that they are just optimal for each other. Im not overly concerned about pairing my 211 pro with something. I am more concerned about getting the tone i want. which is booming lows while still getting the mids and highs through. I just didn't wanna waste money on another 211 if the pair didnt get booming lows and would rather look elsewhere for new cabs entirely. The cabs I wanna try aren't overly available to test out so thats why I came here in search of experience from others such as yourself.

GrowlerBox · #10 01-18-2011, 04:34 PM

I can't tell you whether you like the tone from the 211 Pro, but if I understood your original post correctly, you already have one. Very few full range bass cabs will put out the fundamental frequencies of the E and B strings, but these are not particularly improtant to our perception of them, which is based much more on the second and even third harmonics. If you do indeed have one of these cabs, see how it sounds to you with the bass frequencies backed off a bit, and some boost in the lower mids. This sounds a bit counter-intuitive, but it will allow you to increase the volume with a lower risk of causing "farting" from overexcursion, and still provide you with the "lowdown experience". If you like how that sounds, then you'll like it even more from two of the same cabinets, which will essentially allow you get the lows without overpushing the volume knob.

Does that make sense? Worth a fiddle with your EQ, anyhow

okcrum · #11 01-18-2011, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by bassmusic17

I understand that. I didn't mean to imply thats what I was talking about. What I wanted to know was that does 2 211 Pro get low or not. or is it that they are just optimal for each other. Im not overly concerned about pairing my 211 pro with something. I am more concerned about getting the tone i want. which is booming lows while still getting the mids and highs through. I just didn't wanna waste money on another 211 if the pair didnt get booming lows and would rather look elsewhere for new cabs entirely. The cabs I wanna try aren't overly available to test out so thats why I came here in search of experience from others such as yourself.

Well, the 211 Pro doesn't have a lot of response below the low E, even in pairs. They have about 6 dB of low mid hump, so they are pretty punchy.

Zitch · #12 01-18-2011, 04:49 PM

Have you tried the SVT 410hlf? Lots of low end and still holds true to the other frequencies. Great cab wish I still had mine.