Looking for the right cab

[kevinjack]

Hello all!! I have an amped svt 8-10e and it's just to much for me right now so I was thinking about trading it into guitar center and try getting like a 4-10 cab but I'm not sure if I should go with ampeg or what kind of cab. I want to get the most wattage I can out of the cab as I have the 4 pro. I was looking at getting the pro neo series or the svt 4-10 hlf made by ampeg but I don't know which is better, i also know very little on the neo. Any help would be awesome

Thanks!
Kevin

[Mykk]

I suppose it's up to your personal preference and budget. Personally I would be inclined to try PN-410HLF over the SVT-410HLF

I use an SVT-810E, and I'm currently looking at Eden cabs used on craigslist....

[RickenBoogie]

Be very careful trying to "get all the wattage" from your head. Anything smaller than an 810, like the 410's you're looking at, will not likely handle "all the wattage". I'd be looking at 2 smaller identical cabs if you need the sort of volume the 810 gave you. Cut that in half, expect half the volume.

[SpecialBlender]

Tried out a Genz XB3 410 yesterday and was blown away with it. Huge bottom and great clarity. My next addition after I move some gear.

[canadian*eh]

I am "fEARful" to say what i think you should get for a cab...... might get jumped all over again for trying to push something that is not a commercial cab

[kevinjack]

Originally Posted by canadian*eh

I am "fEARful" to say what i think you should get for a cab...... might get jumped all over again for trying to push something that is not a commercial cab

I'm not most likely not going to be seeing to man commercial gigs in the near future probably just restaurant type gigs as im still in college i was really just wanting a cab that can handle a lot of power and be more portable than the "fridge" the pro neo looks promising but there are some people saying there are better cabs I could get.

Thanks!
Kevin

[kevinjack]

Originally Posted by RickenBoogie

Be very careful trying to "get all the wattage" from your head.

Thank you for pointing that out! I'm just trying to get as much wattage out of them as possible. Later on in the future I might buy another 4-10. Does that seem like a good idea?

Thanks kevin

[canadian*eh]

well you can get a fEARful 15/6/1 Built for you it can easily handle 700watts and will get louder then and lower the most 410's and only weighs around 50lbs...and it is loaded with the Eminence 3015LF pro Neo speaker!! Give it a look fEARful™ enclosures for bass/drums/keys there is a list of authorised builders that can build one for you if you dont want to build it yourself...only thing is they arnt cheep....but then again they arnt you every-day bass cab!! they arnt for everyone esp if you are strapped for cash....if not them then i would look at some neo 212 cabs might do alot of what you are looking for....In the end Try then out see what sounds the best and let you ears be the judge!!! All The best!! Cheers mate!!~Elliot

[kevinjack]

Originally Posted by canadian*eh

well you can get a fEARful 15/6/1 Built for you it can easily handle 700watts and will get louder then and lower the most 410's and only weighs around 50lbs...and it is loaded with the Eminence 3015LF pro Neo speaker!! Give it a look fEARful(TM) enclosures for bass/drums/keys there is a list of authorised builders that can build one for you if you dont want to build it yourself...only thing is they arnt cheep....but then again they arnt you every-day bass cab!! they arnt for everyone esp if you are strapped for cash....if not them then i would look at some neo 212 cabs might do alot of what you are looking for....In the end Try then out see what sounds the best and let you ears be the judge!!! All The best!! Cheers mate!!~Elliot

AMAZING!!! I'll defiantly look into those, I'm a delivery driver so I can make some pretty good money!! So it also sounds like you would go for the neo over the svt why is that?? Also about the cabinets, what's the ton like!? Is there a lot of low end, or perhaps to much high end??

Thanks
Kevin

[chaosMK]

You might like the Bergantino HS 410. Somewhat hard to find but awesome.

[canadian*eh]

Originally Posted by kevinjack

AMAZING!!! I'll defiantly look into those, I'm a delivery driver so I can make some pretty good money!! So it also sounds like you would go for the neo over the svt why is that?? Also about the cabinets, what's the ton like!? Is there a lot of low end, or perhaps to much high end??

Thanks
Kevin

Well as for the Tone of the fEARful cab ....it really has no tone of its own....It is Tuned Flat and has the sound of a high end studio Monitor....Meaning that the sound you put into it from your amp or bass is the sound you are going to get out of the cab....it will not be Coloured!!! As for low end it is HUGE!!!! The fact being the large xmax of the 3015lf which is about double of most speakers in commercially produced cabs ...when your 410 get to loud and starts farting out the fEARful will be just getting warmed up...like i said the 15/6/1 can handle all of 700 watts without much trouble...there are guys on here that feed it alot more then that even...That eminence 3015lf Driver is not your daddys old 15" speaker.....this thing is a beast!!! And no there is not to much high end...you can dial you horn out if you like or even get a cab made with out it. The 15 crosses over to the 6" mid range driver at 800hz and that crosses over to the horn at around 4.5kHz....there is no part of this cab that over powers the other!!!...Very Balanced!!

[Joe Louvar]

Originally Posted by RickenBoogie

Be very careful trying to "get all the wattage" from your head. Anything smaller than an 810, like the 410's you're looking at, will not likely handle "all the wattage". I'd be looking at 2 smaller identical cabs if you need the sort of volume the 810 gave you. Cut that in half, expect half the volume.

+10
This is very good advice to remember.

[kevinjack]

Im having trouble finding the 15/6/1 on the website. Also how do I go about ordering one? Thanks for all of the help!!

Kev

[JimmyM]

The cab that comes closest to the 810e tonewise is the SVT 410he. I've used one with a 4 Pro several times, and it is not quiet by any means. The 4 Pro puts out plenty of power at 8 ohms to power a 410. The 410HLF goes quite a bit lower, and while it does have some similarities in tone to the 810e, it goes so much lower that 810e fans generally prefer the 410he. Some do like that giant low end, though...not my thing but it's a very popular cab.

Haven't played the Pro Neos, but everyone I know who has said they sound like Ampeg cabs but a little tighter and clearer.

[Joe Louvar]

Originally Posted by kevinjack

Im having trouble finding the 15/6/1 on the website. Also how do I go about ordering one? Thanks for all of the help!!

Kev

fEARful 15/6/1
fEARful 15" Kits, fEARful 15/6 Flat Pack Deluxe Kit | Speaker Hardware
BTW, it’s kind of more like a 3-way stereo or little PA speaker than a bass bottom - but a lot of guys here like them. And the 1515/66 would be closer to your 810.

Originally Posted by JimmyM

The cab that comes closest to the 810e tonewise is the SVT 410he. I've used one with a 4 Pro several times, and it is not quiet by any means. The 4 Pro puts out plenty of power at 8 ohms to power a 410. The 410HLF goes quite a bit lower, and while it does have some similarities in tone to the 810e, it goes so much lower that 810e fans generally prefer the 410he. Some do like that giant low end, though...not my thing but it's a very popular cab.

Haven't played the Pro Neos, but everyone I know who has said they sound like Ampeg cabs but a little tighter and clearer.

Alright Jimmy is in the house.

[makohund]

If interested in the fEARful, there is a forum at that site, it would be a good idea to join up and ask there. There is a list of authorized builders to choose from if you don't want to DIY... choose one and contact them.

The site Joe gave is an excellent source of parts to DIY, and even has "flat packs" with the wood precut and ready to assemble. They are also an authorized builder and can send you a completed cab if you like.

If you actually need 810 volume levels, he's right.... you'd want more than a single 15/6. The 1212/6 is debateably close. (Generally a little louder on the bottom end, not quite as loud over 70Hz.) The 1515/66 (or any other dual 15 setup) is gonna be hands down louder.

It's a 2 or 3 way speaker designed for bass guitar, that happens to be capable of more. I wouldn't compare it to a little PA speaker. Maybe to a nice, loud 3 way PA speaker with a good sub under it. Like having your own complete FOH rig.

[Hobobob]

Them fEARfuls aren't going to sound like your 810 at all. If that's the sound you're shooting for, you might want to think about starting a little closer to home or at least hearing a fEARful first. Audition a lot of cabs - don't settle on one or two options and then stick to them like they're the only cabs ever made. Go to some local music shops, try your head through all the cabs in the joint. See if there's a TalkBass get-together coming up anywhere near you and bring your head to try with the other guys' cabs. The fEARful designs are awesome - most likely my next purchase. But I have no intention of making one sound like a sealed 810. If you can wring that sound out of one, great. As stated in this thread, they are remarkably flat and studio monitor-like, and as a result are better tonal chameleons than just about anything. But you will definitely NOT start with the fridge vibe from square one. But who knows, maybe you're ready for something a little different?

[sad_katz]

Originally Posted by JimmyM

The cab that comes closest to the 810e tonewise is the SVT 410he.

+1

If you like the 810e's tone then definitely give the 410he a look.

If you want to try a PA-ish cab design, do give BFM Jack 10's a look too. Sounds very clear to me from youtube vids. Other than that, maybe an Avatar TB153 and Barefaced cabs.

Oh, and while I don't live in the US and thus never have experience with Guitar Center, maybe try selling the 810e here on the forums. I'd bet you'll get better value than thru GC.

Good luck

[Joe Louvar]

Great thread, full of good advice and recommendations - good luck Kevin, take your time and enjoy the ride/experience.