M9 Carbine VS Demeter HBP1-800D

[bassundergrace]

Any owners out there? Which way would you go?

[DrumsAndBass]

Right on, I'd like to hear what they have to say too.

[svtb15]

If i had the choice... I would get the M9.... Power, versatility. Great CS.. etc

[Arthur U. Poon]

Originally Posted by DrumsAndBass

Right on, I'd like to hear what they have to say too.

Me too. I power my Powerhouse 212 cabs with a Demeter HBP-1/Crest CA9. Other than a reduction in weight, I wonder if the tone of the Mesa M9 Carbine is radically different than my HBP-1/CA9.

[dukeorock]

Not that this helps, but either choice will be stellar

Think I'm leaning toward the M9 as well

[Baird6869]

The M9 is one of the best sounding amps ever, but make sure you buy one with the upgrades (venting, heat sink, etc.).

I owned 2 (including one made last year with all the upgrades) and they both died on gigs. I loved the tone, but washed my hands of the Mesa Fathom/Carbine stuff for good after having 2 gigs ruined because of the M9.

YMMV as many TBers have gigged them for years with no issues.

[rpsands]

I vastly prefer the standard demeter tone (used to run an HBP-1J) over the M9 in every conceivable way.

* but could really use an idea of what kind of tone you're after to say more useful stuff

[basskillah]

Demeter all day

[zagralin_arf]

The M9 is not only tonally capable of whatever you need, and it has power for days, a great compressor, footswitchable 9 band EQ, and you have the bragging rights of saying you have the top of the line Mesa Bass head currently in production.

Once I got my M9 and PH212, my tone came to me and I never had any problem being heard.

[J.Wolf]

I've had an hbp1 for years and owned a m6 for a long time. I greatly prefer the demeters tone. Much less plasticky sounding in the treble/upper midrange and warmer overall, while being very clear and present. I would also much rather have the fantastic 2 band parametric of the hbp than the graphic eq on the m9, but that's pure preference. Can't comment on the power sections of both, but I hear wonderful things about the new Demeter power amp.

If I had my druthers, my hbp would already have a 800 in it as well as a Jensen upgrade. But alas.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by J.Wolf

I've had an hbp1 for years and owned a m6 for a long time. I greatly prefer the demeters tone. Much less plasticky sounding in the treble/upper midrange and warmer overall, while being very clear and present. I would also much rather have the fantastic 2 band parametric of the hbp than the graphic eq on the m9, but that's pure preference. Can't comment on the power sections of both, but I hear wonderful things about the new Demeter power amp.

If I had my druthers, my hbp would already have a 800 in it as well as a Jensen upgrade. But alas.

+1 in that they are very, very, very different. The reliability issues, even with the upgraded M9's, would take those off the table for me unless I was really, totally sold on their unique 'aggressive solid state' sort of vibe, with that huge low end and super modern, sizzly top end (it would just make me a bit nervous on the gig). Impressive heads, and at least the support is good if they go down.

The new Demeter power amp is getting really positive reviews. That one space rack hybrid version of the Demeter stuff looks pretty killer. If they could somehow put that into a more traditional 'head' format, I think they would sell a lot of them. The idea of a one space rack unit (these days) makes little sense to me.

[J.Wolf]

Man, that's a good point. That Demeter setup in a micro chassis would slay!

[KJung]

Originally Posted by J.Wolf

Man, that's a good point. That Demeter setup in a micro chassis would slay!

I can see why they are using the form factor they have, since it keeps the boards and layout of the pre the same, but I think they are losing HUGE sales due to that old fashioned form factor. Something the size of the Glock Blue Soul or a touch smaller would open up a big market for them IMO.

[pacojas]

Originally Posted by basskillah

Demeter all day

+1

[lo-freq]

I was very interested in the Carbines for quite a while.
For a lot of people there seem to be some cabs that work better with the M's than others.
I prefer an amp that doesn't have a strong voice to it, to the point that certain mainstream cabs don't synergize well with it.

The Demeter HBP-1 is a very neutral-sounding preamp with just a bit of tubish-warmth to it.
Most that have used the Demeter Minnie power section report that it sounds pretty neutral with a warm, roundish type tone.

As KenJ says, the Mesa & the Demeter should sound very different.

The Demeter should match up well with a far wider variety of cabs than the Carbine amps do.

Not putting the Carbines down; they apparently do have their own special Mojo that when matched with certain cabs, a lot of bass players will like; DSFDF, and all that; YMMV.

[ptidwell]

I also ran the m6, very similar to the m9 while owning the Demeter HBP-1
I too prefer the tone and clarity of the Demeter, still own the Demeter while the M6 (Fathom) although a great amp has been moved along.

[nostatic]

Originally Posted by KJung

Something the size of the Glock Blue Soul or a touch smaller would open up a big market for them IMO.

I like this form factor

[HeavyJazz77]

Demeter is always a mecca of tone. The M9 is handsome, but I'd go after the Demeter.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by nostatic

I like this form factor

That is about as cool as it gets. Seriously though, if that company would make a version of their all in one amp in a unit roughly the size of a Streamliner, or a bit larger, I think they would really have something.

Guys looking for a lightweight rig with big power aren't (for the most part) interested in a single space rack unit. Rack tuners are a thing of the past pretty much, and most know those power conditioners aren't necessary (and even can do some harm from what I remember). So, no real reason to have even a two space rack any more.

Edit: I think you remember posting that the Monique guy is designing a bag that will fit the preamp, the Demeter amp, and I assume cables. That would do it to for many IMO!

[Jazzdogg]

Rack-width components and heavy gear are in my past and won't be making a come-back. These days, my preference is for gear that's similar in size and weight to my Acoustic Image Focus, although I would willingly make an allowance to accommodate the space required for tubes.

As much as I admire the sound of Monique, the Demeter Minnie 800D is too rich for my blood, and although the dove cage looks pretty, like Ken, I'd prefer a compact unit in a single chassis. I would probably spring for a less expensive powered Monique in a lightweight, rectilinear chassis.

As pretty as the Dove Cage and Bamboo units are, they both look relatively vulnerable, and I find the rounded top of the Dove Cage an unnecessary affectation that I'm not willing to pay extra for.