Markbass LMIII + CL106 ?

RC_matthias · #1 10-25-2010, 10:02 AM

I was looking around for a fitting cabinet for the Markbass LMIII and I was wondering if anyone has experience with the LMIII paired up with the CL106 as rig?

Will it work anyways? Because the CL106 is 6ohms right?

Cheers,
Matthias

bthrem · #2 10-25-2010, 10:22 AM

I use a MB TA510 and CL106. I think it makes for a great rock music pairing. No issues at all with the 6 Ohm load of the cab.

RC_matthias · #3 10-25-2010, 02:16 PM

Wouldn't the 500w head be underpowering the 900w cabinet?

trowaclown · #4 10-25-2010, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by RC_matthias

Wouldn't the 500w head be underpowering the 900w cabinet?

No it won't. To quote a post from a stickied thread:

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Originally Posted by BassIan

You cannot "underpower" a speaker cabinet and cause it to fail. If that was so, cabinets would be exploding everywhere due to being so severely underpowered as people abused them by turning them off.

Should your setup be insufficient for your volume needs, you will begin to clip (overdrive, distort, etc) your Hartke head's power amplifier section. The result of this is a very unpleasant tone combined with increased power output. In basic terms, a clipped waveform of the most extreme case begins to look similar to a square wave. A square wave has twice the heating ability (power) as a pure sine wave of the same peak-to-peak voltage. In other words, your amplifier will produce more than its rated RMS power when you distort it. Additionally, due to the compression caused by the distortion, your speaker cabinets will be dissipating this power on a more continuous basis rather than only on cleanly reproduced transients. THIS is what causes thermal failure of a speaker. It is still OVERPOWERING the speaker. Please keep in mind that in most cases, this needs to be an extremely overdriven amplifier well beyond the realm of what's "tolerable" to listen to. You'd know to turn down before this was likely to occur.

Hopefully this helps out a bit.

JimmyM · #5 10-25-2010, 03:17 PM

i have not tried the cl106 but i have tried the cl108 with an lmii. nice cab, very markbass sounding. if you've heard any markbass cab, you know what i mean. the 108 is lighter in the loafers than the svt 810e, but it's got a good smooth sound with an enhanced upper mid ersponse, and it responds pretty well to eq. again, this is the 108, but i imagine the 106 isn't too far off from the 108.

RC_matthias · #6 10-25-2010, 04:15 PM

Glad to see all the responses!

The CL106 seems to have disappeared from my local dealer due to out of stock...
So I'm going to look for another cabinet...

It should have enough lows though and even though the traveller 102 has a lot of good recommendations on here, I'm wondering if you know anything else that will fit fine?

Cheers,
Matthias

bthrem · #7 10-25-2010, 04:17 PM

There always a good deal or two on CL108's and CL106's on the used Guitar Center site. The deals get even better when you can apply a coupon.

rodl2005 · #8 10-25-2010, 04:33 PM

Still cant beat a Bergantino NV610- which IS 4 ohms - therefore getting FULL power outta yr LMIII/LMII :-)

But I dont imagine the difference between the power output of the amp at 4 ohms / 6 ohms is that much diff. & even less in actual volume.

RC_matthias · #9 10-26-2010, 02:21 AM

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Originally Posted by bthrem

There always a good deal or two on CL108's and CL106's on the used Guitar Center site. The deals get even better when you can apply a coupon.

Wouldn't it be quite an expensive operation getting these shipped to Europe since I'm located in Belgium...

Or do the neodymium speakers make for cheap shipping due to the relative light weight?

Cheers,
~Matthias

RC_matthias · #10 10-26-2010, 09:21 AM

Right now it pretty much comes down to a few choices...

-The Berg NV610 which I could get for about 1200euro
-MB CL106 from Guitarcenter for about 800euros new but god knows how much for getting it to Belgium (if I'm lucky I can find a used CL106 here for around 375euros, perhaps it evens out with the shipping then, but still a waste of money)
-MB CL104 which is generally available in France for a small 1000euros...

Or something else... It's quite confusing

tombowlus · #11 10-26-2010, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by JimmyM

i have not tried the cl106 but i have tried the cl108 with an lmii. nice cab, very markbass sounding. if you've heard any markbass cab, you know what i mean. the 108 is lighter in the loafers than the svt 810e, but it's got a good smooth sound with an enhanced upper mid response, and it responds pretty well to eq. again, this is the 108, but i imagine the 106 isn't too far off from the 108.

+1

bthrem · #12 10-26-2010, 09:28 AM

I've had the NV610 and CL106. The CL106 is way more portable and I think both sound great.

RC_matthias · #13 10-26-2010, 01:55 PM

By portable you mean it's lighter or more compact?
Because we're still young chaps, just around 18 (our bassist even isn't 18 yet) and it's alright if our stuff is heavy, just want it to sound good and perhaps fit in the trunk of our cars, so compactness is more important than weight really for that matter!

It's great to get all this praise for the CL108, you're definitely steering me in the direction of the fridge now

But it would cost about 1450euros for the CL108 in France, would you say the price difference weighs up to the quality of sound compared to the Berg or the MB CL106?

Cheers lads!

tombowlus · #14 10-26-2010, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RC_matthias

It's great to get all this praise for the CL108, you're definitely steering me in the direction of the fridge now

But it would cost about 1450euros for the CL108 in France, would you say the price difference weighs up to the quality of sound compared to the Berg or the MB CL106?

Cheers lads!

While I like the CL108 a good bit, and I think a 4-ohm average load would be advantageous, that is a killer price on the CL106, and the 106 is no slouch.

FWIW, I reviewed the CL108 (and Classic 300) in issue #2.

Tom.

RC_matthias · #15 10-26-2010, 02:36 PM

Cheers,
and indeed the price is nice, but considering the shipping, it's a hassle not worth it IMO...

And please don't take this as an insult or anything to all the input you've been giving, but I'm really starting to hesitate again... I mean, when I'm listening to some huge hiwatt rig (I mean that amazing, earblowing Entwistle sound), tubes burning up, the hugest sound...

Or just taking a listen to Country Joe & The Fish at woodstock playing "Love" when the bass kicks in...

Argh! Help me out here, I'm losing my mind!

tombowlus · #16 10-26-2010, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by RC_matthias

And please don't take this as an insult or anything to all the input you've been giving, but I'm really starting to hesitate again... I mean, when I'm listening to some huge hiwatt rig (I mean that amazing, earblowing Entwistle sound), tubes burning up, the hugest sound...

LOL! No insult, here! Far be it from me to try and talk anyone out of a big all-tube rig, Hiwatt or otherwise!

Kreken · #17 10-28-2010, 12:34 PM

What about the Markbass CL152? Has anyone any experience with it? I'm sort of drawn between the 610 and that one, but have not yet had the chance to try any of them...