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12-04-2011, 06:05 AM
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Hi, i talked with this guy who wants to sell a Marshall jcm 800 Bass series - 1992, 100 watt amp. With an 4x10" cabinet.
and i'm strongly considering to buy it, mostly because the price fits me really well, especially for an all tube amp.
But then i started to read about the amp, and it seems that some users of this amplifier doesn't think the 100 watts plays loud enough.
my usage of it will be both in the rehearsal room and to play gigs with, so i need something that can play pretty loud.
Anybody who have any experience with this amp, and its loudness?
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12-04-2011, 07:55 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Dallas, TX | | | Only you can answer this, after playing the amp WITH your band. Sorry, it's not possible to guess your situation.
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12-04-2011, 07:57 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: glasgow (on the 16 bus) | | | ive been told there pretty loud but the real question is how loud is your band?
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12-04-2011, 09:29 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Wellington, New Zealand | | | A friend had one, tried it a few times and I felt it was quite loud for 100 watts, seemed to have similar headroom to my 200 watt Orange... Nice solid low end, but I found the top end really harsh. |
12-04-2011, 09:47 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Toronto Ontario Canada | | | As you can see there's no one can answer you question but yourself. All I CAN say is that the days of playing a gig with a 100W amp ended in the Seventies for me.
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12-05-2011, 05:18 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: AArhus, Denmark | | | Thank you for the answers.
we're playing heavy rock, in the style of Black Sabbath and Danzig, so the amp must be able to create a certain sound pressure.
The seller lives a 5 hour travel from where i live, so the transportation will cost 1/4 of the amps price and that's why i'm looking for some guidance, because i can't try i with my band, and it's a day-travel for me to get to try out the amp.
@Timi
Similar headroom to the AD200B, that seems great, but harsh, you mean like a blown speaker or like a fuzz? because some fuzz wouldn't do anything.
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12-05-2011, 05:31 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Vancouver | | | 100W can be plenty, as I've learned from playing a YBA-3 and a V4B. However, it depends on your band and your cab, etc. |
12-05-2011, 06:47 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: austin,tx | | | What speakers will you be playing this through? That has a lot to do with how loud you will be. Sabbath/Danzig means you can deal with some distortion in exchange for volume, maybe be able to turn it up to the sweet spot for gigs.....but still. What are the other guys in the band playing...what if any PA support, etc? |
12-05-2011, 06:52 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2010 Location: Wellington,New Zealand | | | i don't know about a 4x10 but im running one through a 6x10 and it keeps up easily (i barely turn it above 2) with two guitarists using full stacks with 100watts heads |
12-05-2011, 06:57 PM
| | | | 100 watts was good enough for Lemmy,Noel Redding etc in their bands early days..Noel redding at Monterey po with one 100 watt Super bass stack ...See if you can get a repro"tall" hendrix" 4x 12 cab, and some good efficient Eminence,Jensen,Celestion 12"..I use a 50 watt Fender Bassman 1965 and 2x12 pretty loud--i think 100 watts British is 138 watts Usa??? |
12-05-2011, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by heavytrash13 100 watts was good enough for Lemmy,Noel Redding etc in their bands early days..Noel redding at Monterey po with one 100 watt Super bass stack ...See if you can get a repro"tall" hendrix" 4x 12 cab, and some good efficient Eminence,Jensen,Celestion 12"..I use a 50 watt Fender Bassman 1965 and 2x12 pretty loud--i think 100 watts British is 138 watts Usa??? | Actually Noel and Jimi had three Fender Showman each with 2x15 JBLs daisy chained with their Marshall rigs at Monterery. It was the supplied backline. That's 85w RMS times three for Jimi and times three for Noel.
When Noel went to Sunns he used three Sunn 2000s with six JBL D140 loaded bottoms.
If you are not expecting huge low end, if you have a more midrange & treble tone and you lean toward a more aggressive to distorted tone, you'll do fine.
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12-05-2011, 07:45 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Melnibone | | | 100 watts from a tube Ampeg (2x10 and 2x12) is plenty for me, with drums, congas, guitar, and a Hammond B3. If you need more than that, put it in the PA. I also have an SVT that hardly ever comes out. |
12-06-2011, 03:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Alex1984 100W can be plenty, as I've learned from playing a YBA-3 and a V4B. However, it depends on your band and your cab, etc. | Quote:
Originally Posted by will33 What speakers will you be playing this through? That has a lot to do with how loud you will be. Sabbath/Danzig means you can deal with some distortion in exchange for volume, maybe be able to turn it up to the sweet spot for gigs.....but still. What are the other guys in the band playing...what if any PA support, etc? | It comes with an 4x12" marshall cab. maybe the usage of 12" instead of 10" will make the fuzz more controllable ?
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The loudest Guitarist in the band plays a Fender Hotrod deluxe, which i believe is a 40 watt, that stills plays louder than hell.
I actually hadn't considered the opportunity for PA support, but i got 4 SRM 450 speakers, so there's plenty of PA to deal with.
Another think i have considered is to slave or chain it with a Hiwatt nca 105 - 200 watt solidstate, that i got. anybody who knows how ST and Tube amps mix?
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12-06-2011, 03:32 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Jakarta, Indonesia | | | 100 Watts is plenty. And with a 412 cab, it should sound loud.
Again, it all depends on how loud your other bandmates are.
Just FYI, to double the loudness you need to 10x the amp's wattage. A 100Watts bump will not make it louder.
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12-06-2011, 03:50 AM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tasmania, Australia | | | I had one, & yes thru a decent cab- 810, 610 can be loud enough for a band playing with a drummer who hits hard, un-mic'd.
They're great for one sort of tone, but ain't nearly as versatile as-the other 100w tube amp I had then- Ampeg V4BH.
IT does THE rock tone & that's it. But it does that well.
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12-06-2011, 10:30 AM
|  | perfect tone forever | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: niagara falls, ON | | | Looks like a cool setup. Very close to what I'm putting together, except my cabinet is a 2x15 and my amp is a Super Bass.\\
The cabinet looks like a IBS series... I have an IBS 2x15.. sounds and looks great.
100 watts is going to be great for Distortion
If you want a VERY loud distorted bass amp, then go for it. |
12-06-2011, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by sickest beast Looks like a cool setup. Very close to what I'm putting together, except my cabinet is a 2x15 and my amp is a Super Bass.\\
The cabinet looks like a IBS series... I have an IBS 2x15.. sounds and looks great.
100 watts is going to be great for Distortion
If you want a VERY loud distorted bass amp, then go for it. | Super Bass, that is the model Lemmy uses right?
Maybe his level of distortion is a bit too much for my use, or maybe the rest of the band just has to live with it then!
What kind of music are you using your setup for?
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12-06-2011, 01:52 PM
| | perfect tone forever | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: niagara falls, ON | | Quote:
Originally Posted by HenrikHellfire Super Bass, that is the model Lemmy uses right?
Maybe his level of distortion is a bit too much for my use, or maybe the rest of the band just has to live with it then!
What kind of music are you using your setup for? | Yes it is. Same year as well (1977). It does clean, but that's not why I bought it.
I play just about everything, but most of the bands I've been in play very aggressive music. I crank my amps. |
12-06-2011, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by HenrikHellfire @Timi
Similar headroom to the AD200B, that seems great, but harsh, you mean like a blown speaker or like a fuzz? because some fuzz wouldn't do anything. | Well, it was a while ago and the headroom seemed similar, but it was a different sort of sound. The midrange seemed to be more in your face which might have made it appear "as loud" as my AD200.
I usually use some sort of overdrive pedal so I always notice the top end of an amp, and I found that JCM to be very fizzy in the top end. This was using the same hornless Ampeg cab I normally used which never had that problem. This JCM had just been properly retubed and checked over... |
12-06-2011, 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by HenrikHellfire Super Bass, that is the model Lemmy uses right?
Maybe his level of distortion is a bit too much for my use, or maybe the rest of the band just has to live with it then!
What kind of music are you using your setup for? | Lemmy uses JMP Super Basses (and his signture amps are based on the JMP circuit). The JCM 800 Super Bass has quite a different circuit than the older ones, and they don't distort as much or as early as the JMPs.
If the cabinet in that picture is a 4x12, it appears to be a model 1520, from the Integrated Bass System (IBS) range. If it has the original speakers, they will be Celestion Sidewinders rated at 150W each, for a total of 600W. I have one of these cabs (now loaded with Eminence S2012 speakers, though), and I played my old JMP Super Basses through it (and a model 1552 2x15 cab from the same series) for many years (until I moved to a VBA 400 a couple of months ago - still using the same cabinets). I never had a problem keeping up with a loud band (my band, Exciter, plays at Motorhead volume levels, hehehe...  ). I did/do have quite a bit of distortion in my sound, but as I said, the JCM 800 Super Basses don't distort as much, and I LIKE a fair amount of overdrive in my sound. 
You'll have fun with that setup!
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