A Mellow Sounding Cab

[Infidelity]

I own an LMII and 102p travelers..

I kinda don't like the 102p it sounds honky for me..

I'm looking for Bergantino or Epifani to replace the cab..

Which one is more mellow and what speaker size I should get.?

[lowendfriend]

To me mellow=15" driver. In that humid FL air you can probably hear you in Cuba

[silky smoove]

Which Bergs are you looking at? The AE's are tight and punchy, the HS are less punchy, but still pretty tight. The NV are a sealed vintage voicing, and not what I'd call mellow. The old HT's and the IP's, to me are huge down below and sparky up top with a polite midrange. Not exactly mellow, but probably your beat bet going Berg.

The current Epi's are pretty widely voiced with a polite midrange. They might be better, but I didn't like the LM/UL410 combination that I tried. The LM's low mid control is too high to add any real meat to the area where that cab lacks. Thanks to Ken for pointing that out.

[smo]

Mellow equals Ported 15's to me too.
Just find one that fits your wallet, they're not hard to find 2nd hand.

[KJung]

Originally Posted by Infidelity

I own an LMII and 102p travelers..

I kinda don't like the 102p it sounds honky for me..

I'm looking for Bergantino or Epifani to replace the cab..

Which one is more mellow and what speaker size I should get.?

Before you spend the cash, make sure you have investigated the very powerful EQ on the LMII.

Try this. Set the EQ of the amp flat (tone controls at noon). Now, dial up the VPF to around 10 o'clock. This will expand the low end, soften the mid mids, and extend the upper treble. Then, engage the VLE to around 10 o'clock (or more to taste), which will remove the extra upper treble dialed in by the VPF, and at higher levels, will start to roll off upper mids.

That combination will result in the LM to be fat down low, a bit polite in the mid mids, and attenuated on the top end.... mimic'ing the classic 115 one way cab sort of vibe, and getting most any cab to sound 'mellow, fat, and relatively old school'.

[jasper383]

Originally Posted by KJung

Before you spend the cash, make sure you have investigated the very powerful EQ on the LMII.

Try this. Set the EQ of the amp flat (tone controls at noon). Now, dial up the VPF to around 10 o'clock. This will expand the low end, soften the mid mids, and extend the upper treble. Then, engage the VLE to around 10 o'clock (or more to taste), which will remove the extra upper treble dialed in by the VPF, and at higher levels, will start to roll off upper mids.

That combination will result in the LM to be fat down low, a bit polite in the mid mids, and attenuated on the top end.... mimic'ing the classic 115 one way cab sort of vibe, and getting most any cab to sound 'mellow, fat, and relatively old school'.

Great advice. I didn't figure out how to use the LMII's VLE and VPF together for quite a while. Once I did, I discovered I could get just about any "kind" of sound out of it.

[silky smoove]

Originally Posted by smo

Mellow equals Ported 15's to me too.
Just find one that fits your wallet, they're not hard to find 2nd hand.

Tell that to the Schroeder 15+L, or the Bag End S15

[Infidelity]

Maybe it would help.. I'm currently using a EBMM Sterling 4HH..

[jasper383]

Originally Posted by Infidelity

Maybe it would help.. I'm currently using a EBMM Sterling 4HH..

Use the LMII settings KJung recommends, and put your pickup switch in the middle. That, and some old nickel rounds or flats. If that's not warm enough, you do need to change gear.

[Jimmy Stump]

Originally Posted by Infidelity

Maybe it would help.. I'm currently using a EBMM Sterling 4HH..

FWIW, I am running Markbass + Epifani + EBMM Sterling. Very difficult to get any Sterling to sound mellow, it's just not in its bag of tricks. I have no problem getting articulate sounds and good sounds, but mellow is a challenge with the Sterling.

On the other hand, my Fender Jazz can sound very mellow with the Markbass and Epi, especially if I roll off the bridge pickup.

[Infidelity]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Stump

FWIW, I am running Markbass + Epifani + EBMM Sterling. Very difficult to get any Sterling to sound mellow, it's just not in its bag of tricks. I have no problem getting articulate sounds and good sounds, but mellow is a challenge with the Sterling.

On the other hand, my Fender Jazz can sound very mellow with the Markbass and Epi, especially if I roll off the bridge pickup.

Yeah, That's why I recently bought a Lakland Skyline 55-02D w/ barts.. Can't wait for the bass..

[tombowlus]

I used to own a 102P, and yes, that little horn isn't exactly mellow. If you can control the tones you don't like with the EQ/VLE/VPF, that of course would be the best. Or, you may want to try something like a Berg HT112ER. That is a pretty smooth sounding cab, but still powerful. The Phil Jones Neo-Power 8B might also be worth checking out (very smooth top end). If you want a really mellow high end, maybe go tweeterless or else check out an Accugroove cab.

Tom.

[Infidelity]

Originally Posted by tombowlus

I used to own a 102P, and yes, that little horn isn't exactly mellow. If you can control the tones you don't like with the EQ/VLE/VPF, that of course would be the best. Or, you may want to try something like a Berg HT112ER. That is a pretty smooth sounding cab, but still powerful. The Phil Jones Neo-Power 8B might also be worth checking out (very smooth top end). If you want a really mellow high end, maybe go tweeterless or else check out an Accugroove cab.

Tom.

I might try upgrading my cab to bergantino's..

[silky smoove]

Originally Posted by tombowlus

If you want a really mellow high end, maybe go tweeterless or else check out an Accugroove cab.

I think Accugroove would be a great place to start.

[Infidelity]

Originally Posted by silky smoove

I think Accugroove would be a great place to start.

The Accugroove Tri112L is kinda not on my budget.. I'm kinda thinking of getting an Berg 112EX or HT for now and If I like it then the missing EX/HT would be #1 on my GAS list..

[silky smoove]

Accurgroove stuff is definitely pricey, and Bergantino doesn't know how to make bad gear

[Whitbass]

It is hard to go wrong with a Bergantino. Jim's cabs seem to cover the tonal spectrum quite well in general. You really give up nothing with his cabs.