Mesa M9 w/ 610 And 410?

slap5string · #1 09-04-2011, 07:43 AM

Is this the M9 Carbine capable of running a powerhouse 610 AND a powerhouse 410?

RickenBoogie · #2 09-04-2011, 08:04 AM

If the impedance is 4 ohms on the 610 and 4 ohms on the 410, you have a 2 ohm load, and the M6 can do that, but the 610 will be somewhat louder than the 410. But if the 610 is 4 and the 410 is 8 ohms, you'll have 2.6 ohms, still ok, but now the imbalance between the 2 cabs will be greater, making it a poor match, but not bad for the amp.

slap5string · #3 09-04-2011, 08:11 AM

Yea - wasn't sure if i should try it. The 410 is 8ohms. I know the M9 has the 2ohm switch on the back, but since i just bought the M9 and the 610 yesterday, i didnt want to risk it w/o finding out it if it was bad for the amp. My guitarist suggested I stack the two cabs - said it looks cool lol - but im only using the 610 right now.

JimiLL · #4 09-04-2011, 09:32 AM

10-10's= pretty overkill......

Tell your guitard its about more than looking cool....

lomo · #5 09-04-2011, 09:48 AM

If you want the look of both, just leave the 410 unplugged. Come to think of it, why not just mount a picture of it in a frame on top of the 610. Noone in the crowd will notice, LOL.
Seriously, though, if you need more volume than an M9 cranked nto the 610 will provide, your hearing is in real danger, even with plugs.

Dethrats · #6 09-04-2011, 10:39 AM

id swap the 410 and 610. leave the 410 unplugged so you get all that air right in your face.

RickenBoogie · #7 09-04-2011, 10:42 AM

+1 to all, the M9 through a 610 will be devestating by itself. All you gain by using the 410 in conjunction with the 610, is a real possibility of blowing the 410 out. It won't really be any louder than the 610 alone.

slap5string · #8 09-04-2011, 11:16 AM

Lol - its just for looks guys! like I said - im only using the 610 right now. I was just curious if the amp would be able to power both cabs. The 410 is my bar cab ....and yes - my hearing has been under attack for many years now! Lol

babebambi · #9 09-04-2011, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by RickenBoogie

+1 to all, the M9 through a 610 will be devestating by itself. All you gain by using the 410 in conjunction with the 610, is a real possibility of blowing the 410 out. It won't really be any louder than the 610 alone.

I think the OP said the 610 is 4 ohm and the 410 is 8 ohm

if that's the case, the drivers in the 610 is more stressed and will be the first to "blow", not the 410

tow cabs together will also be a lot louder than the 610 alone

slap5string · #10 09-04-2011, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by babebambi

I think the OP said the 610 is 4 ohm and the 410 is 8 ohm

if that's the case, the drivers in the 610 is more stressed and will be the first to "blow", not the 410

tow cabs together will also be a lot louder than the 610 alone

Yes - that is correct. The 610 is 4ohms and the 410 is 8 ohms

anonymous101511 · #11 09-04-2011, 12:12 PM

Sure, no problem.

RickenBoogie · #12 09-04-2011, 01:13 PM

Yes, if they were hooked up all together, the 610 would take the most, and give the most, leaving the 410 "buried" in the mix. Not being as loud as the bigger cab, it could in fact be straining, and you'd never know, since you can't hear it as well. That's what I was referring to.

lo-freq · #13 09-04-2011, 01:29 PM

If you push the amp really hard, the 610 should be getting maybe 600W and the 410 maybe 300W.

With rational EQing, I don't think either cab will be stressed.

If you keep the 410 on top, you'll be closer to hearing a balanced blend of both cabs than if you put it on the bottom.

I'd guess the 410 would be around 4.5 dB lower in volume than the 610, but proximity with it on top will go a long way to evening them out.

I would definitely try it out if you have a big stage gig -- necessary? Heck no! -- a full-bodied low-freq massage -- Heck yeah & way cool!

walterw · #14 09-04-2011, 02:51 PM

also, the usual rules apply about mixed cabs not being so terrific. it does look like the design of the two are similar enough that they may play nice together phase-wise, but who knows?

georgestrings · #15 09-05-2011, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by walterw

also, the usual rules apply about mixed cabs not being so terrific. it does look like the design of the two are similar enough that they may play nice together phase-wise, but who knows?

I can state from 1st hand experience that this setup sounded really good, and was just plain massive - I slaved the G-K head off the Mesa head to drive the 610, and drove the 810 with the Mesa... I couldn't turn it up all that loud before stuff started falling throughout my entire house - it was pretty cool, though: ALOT of air moving, massive lows, yet crystal clear sound...

I've played alot of different PH410s, and *think* the OP's proposed setup would probably sound very good - but that's just an educated guess...

- georgestrings

lomo · #16 09-06-2011, 04:56 AM

No offense

, but I doubt that a test in your house would say much about how that setup would sound from the crowd in a venue. From reasonably close, more speakers/louder virtually always sounds better. The important question is: what would it sound like 40-80 feet away, at various off-axis angles? With all those drivers positioned lateral to eachother, the possibility of major peaks and valleys in signal at specific frequencies is pretty high.

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Originally Posted by georgestrings

I can state from 1st hand experience that this setup sounded really good, and was just plain massive - I slaved the G-K head off the Mesa head to drive the 610, and drove the 810 with the Mesa... I couldn't turn it up all that loud before stuff started falling throughout my entire house - it was pretty cool, though: ALOT of air moving, massive lows, yet crystal clear sound...

I've played alot of different PH410s, and *think* the OP's proposed setup would probably sound very good - but that's just an educated guess...

- georgestrings

crguti · #17 09-06-2011, 05:20 AM

Just for rhe look? Ohh, dumn bass players!

lo-freq · #18 09-06-2011, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by lomo

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The important question is: what would it sound like 40-80 feet away, at various off-axis angles? With all those drivers positioned lateral to eachother, the possibility of major peaks and valleys in signal at specific frequencies is pretty high.

Yeah, I'm sure the sound of that rig would totally suck!

georgestrings · #19 09-06-2011, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by lomo

No offense

, but I doubt that a test in your house would say much about how that setup would sound from the crowd in a venue. From reasonably close, more speakers/louder virtually always sounds better. The important question is: what would it sound like 40-80 feet away, at various off-axis angles? With all those drivers positioned lateral to eachother, the possibility of major peaks and valleys in signal at specific frequencies is pretty high.

No offense taken - but since I never gig without a substantial PA support, I really don't worry about the things you brought up... Truthfully, the 610 by itself was enough for any gig I ever played, and the 810 even more so - I seriously doubt I'll ever need more than the 810 can provide, but I do play some pretty big stages sometimes...

- georgestrings

georgestrings · #20 09-06-2011, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by lo-freq

Yeah, I'm sure the sound of that rig would totally suck!

I know, right??? Sometimes I think people here get a bit too wrapped up in scientific discussions, and don't bother to actually try something out in real life... After all, we've already heard about the evils of mixing driver sizes in the same rig - now, you can't even stack up "more of the same" without contradicting the science of acoustics???

I've been gigging long enough to realize that my livingroom isn't the same as the stage, but also to know good sound when I hear it...

- georgestrings