Mesa PH412 v Eden 810

Bean639 · #1 01-08-2011, 10:51 AM

I have done many searches for this and have not found exactly what I'm looking for.

I think I'm pretty aware of the tonal differences. I'm wondering about volume.

The head is a Eden WT800D and my current cabs are 2 Eden 410xlts. I know it's kinda ridiculous, but I'm worried about losing some volume output if I switch to the PH412.

Anyone have any experience with this?

Thanks
Jason

rockstarbassist · #2 01-08-2011, 11:09 AM

Ha, from experience, you won't lose volume with the PH412 at all! It'll actually cut a little better too, giving your "perceived loudness" a bump.

Bean639 · #3 01-08-2011, 12:10 PM

yes! "perceived loudness" that is what i'm talking about.
thanks!

**lowendfriend** · #4 01-08-2011, 12:18 PM

And you'll be able to recover electrical power by mounting Wind Generators in front of the PH412 cab!!

That has got to be an awesome amount of SPL.

Bean639 · #5 01-08-2011, 12:45 PM

haha! Im an electrician so that may be in the works. ha!

...now if I could only snatch up a used one. They are tough to find.

rockstarbassist · #6 01-08-2011, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bean639

haha! Im an electrician so that may be in the works. ha!

...now if I could only snatch up a used one. They are tough to find.

Yup.

I had to buy my ex-PH412 new, as well as both of my current PH212's...

And honestly, if you're already used to two cabs, I'd suggest the latter setup. I had the PH412 for a while and it's cool if you have a trailer (even in my Expedition it's a tight fit, and you need help to get it in to avoid back problems/muscle pulls-trust me on this) and helpful bandmates, but I really enjoy having a modular version of it.

**Ryan L.** · #7 01-08-2011, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rockstarbassist

Yup.

I had to buy my ex-PH412 new, as well as both of my current PH212's...

And honestly, if you're already used to two cabs, I'd suggest the latter setup. I had the PH412 for a while and it's cool if you have a trailer (even in my Expedition it's a tight fit, and you need help to get it in to avoid back problems/muscle pulls-trust me on this) and helpful bandmates, but I really enjoy having a modular version of it.

That's why I got rid of my PH810 (which is the same size)---I had to fold down the second-row seating of my Expedition to fit it in there. A 610 will fit, but the 810 was just too damn big. If I had only been playing in one band then, as I am now, so that that the cab could have stayed in the trailer with the PA, I'd probably still have it. But it was just too much of a PITA to keep dealing with. I'm a fan of the more modular versions as well.

Bean639 · #8 01-08-2011, 03:18 PM

I have considered the modular aspect, and think it is very nice. I just don't want to spend the extra dough. If I can find a used 412, I think I can break even selling my 2 410's.

I drive a full size Dodge Ram long-bed with a camper-shell. On top of that I spend 3-5 days a week lifting weights at the gym. The way I see it, thats all the more reason to get a big cab now while I still can.

rockstarbassist · #9 01-08-2011, 08:25 PM

Haha yeah I hear ya. The cost aspect is indeed something to consider.

I thought the same thing as you about being big and strong enough to handle that cab no sweat (I'm at 6'4 and come in about 2-fiddy) but I think the 2nd time I loaded it in alone into the car, I had to have my sister who's a PT Doctor give me some exercises to work out that lower back pull LOL.

mrkreuzschlitz · #10 01-08-2011, 09:21 PM

I've fallen in love with the PH212, and I'm playing an 810 now, so take a stab at which one I'm going for...

Not to mention, the dual 212 route is more expensive, think $1600 vs $1300... but it does look a bit bigger on stage (which I like). I'd probably go for the one 412 though, it'll just be easier to move. I'm already used to an 810 and not dead lifting two cabs.

Bean639 · #11 01-09-2011, 09:11 AM

....Just wondering.

Have you guys noticed an audio difference between 2 212 and the 412?

Also, sorry about your back. Ouch!

Vinny D · #12 01-09-2011, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Bean639

The head is a Eden WT800D and my current cabs are 2 Eden 410xlts. I know it's kinda ridiculous, but I'm worried about losing some volume output if I switch to the PH412.

Thanks
Jason

First, there is no such Eden head as a WT800D.
If you are reading the letter *D* on the back of the amplifier what you really have is an original Eden WT800A.....confused....you can thank Eden for that.
The first versions of the WT800 were all *A* models, the letter on the back which goes I believe up to *E* is just so the Eden techs (at the time) would know what version of the amplifier you have.
Some minor revisions were made all through the letter series, from simple noise reduction to a different DI out.
None of the letter designations changed anything about the power output of the amplifier.
All the WT800*A* amplifiers are bridgeable to an 8ohm minimum load ONLY.
If you are running that amp in bridgemode to a 4ohm load consider yourself lucky that the amp is still working.
Your (2) D410xlt cabs should be being run (1) cab from ea. channel on the WT800A....hopefully thats how you have it.

The real Eden WT800*B* was not made until April of 2005, so any WT800 with a born on date of before 4/05 is a WT800A.

The reason why I mention this, is it may change your mind on what cab you really want to run off of this amplifier.
If the 412 cab you are looking at is 4ohm rated (which most likely it is) you can't run that cab in bridge mode, you will have to run it off of one side of the amplifer which will only provide you with 400w @ 4ohms.

Bean639 · #13 01-09-2011, 11:31 AM

ahhh crap! LOL!

I was wondering/confused about that. I am running both 4ohm cabs from each side, so that part is correct.

The thing that confused me was to year 2000 build date and the *D* part. What you say makes sense now.

Looks like if I want to do this Im going to HAVE to buy 2 212 cabs @ 4ohms. That is a lot more money especially since it will probably be almost impossible to find 2 of these used.

I have heard of mods to change these heads to the desired bridged output. Do you know anything about that?

Also...THANKS for not letting me waste my money. I'm kinda pissed now, but would have been much worse if I found out later.

Bean639 · #14 01-09-2011, 11:35 AM

BUT WAIT! They come in 8 or 4 ohms. this is good..... this is good.,....

Vinny D · #15 01-09-2011, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bean639

BUT WAIT! They come in 8 or 4 ohms. this is good..... this is good.,....

I looked on the Mesa website also and seen that.
Good news if you are looking at ordering new, shopping used may be a bit of a gamble.

Eden used too offer upgrade modifications, but they no longer do.
It would not have mattered anyway because they never offered an upgrade to the real *B* unit. It required changing the complete power section, better off selling the old A units and buying a new one.

But, if your WT800A is working well I would just shop for an 8ohm 412 as that will make a kick ass rig!

babebambi · #16 01-09-2011, 03:26 PM

what don't you like about the XLT?
the XLT is perceived as very loud because of the low-mid bump in its voicing

you probably won't lose volume doing that cab(s) change
but I don't think you will gain any either

Bean639 · #17 01-09-2011, 05:00 PM

Equal volume is fine with me. That's good news.

I really like my xlt's. If I could afford it, I would keep the xlt's. Right now I'm just kinda craving the "mesa grind/ugliness" in my tone. Also, I've played on these cabs for almost 8yrs now and am in the mood for a change. If I never get a 412 and am stuck with my xlt's, I don't think it would be the worst thing in the world.