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12-12-2010, 05:02 PM
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I play through a mag 300h evo ashdown head and a mag 410 cab and was wondering what is a good setting for metal so to cut through and fill the holes while also being heard |
12-12-2010, 05:05 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Belfast, Ireland | | | For the love of christ, no matter how many people tell you, don't completely scoop your mids. What sort of metal are you playing? What sort of bands do you like tonally?
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12-12-2010, 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by page0103  Hey
I play through a mag 300h evo ashdown head and a mag 410 cab and was wondering what is a good setting for metal so to cut through and fill the holes while also being heard | Boost your highs and lo mids
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12-12-2010, 05:06 PM
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boost everything to 11... |
12-12-2010, 05:08 PM
| | | | Man I haven't played metal in years, but back in the good ol days I cranked the mids and played with a pick. It's metal. Just beat the **** out of the bass in time with the drummer. It's all good. |
12-12-2010, 05:15 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: glasgow (on the 16 bus) | | | what ever you do DONT scoop the mids
it will leave a hole in the sound that nothing can fill
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12-12-2010, 05:31 PM
| | | | yeah ill never scoop the mids
i listen to thrashy metal but i really like the sound of the bass on the annihilator album alice in hell but cant seem to replicate it, any suggestions? |
12-12-2010, 05:32 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Bristol, UK | | | Loads of obnoxious mids, cause you're guitarist/s will be scooping their mids, and that is where you can make yourself present, they'll not put their mids back, but they'll try and turn up, so get earplugs.
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12-12-2010, 05:33 PM
|  | Registered User | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: Arlington Heights, IL | | | Create an ugly tone with a lot of mids. Bass tones that sound ugly on their own, generally cut through in live situations. "Pretty" and nice sounding bass tones do not cut it live for metal bands.
If your guitarists are using a good chunk of low end, make sure you don't boost anywhere below 100hz. It's just going to add to the stage rumble and will NOT help you with hearing yourself.
Don't focus on the knobs of the amp, just get your bass sounding good, your technique under control, and leave the amp controls flat (no boost or cut). Start with those steps every time you play. Rooms all sound different and the tone settings that work great in one room, will not work in another room. After the initial setup, listen to the room and adjust your bass tone a little more so you can hear yourself alright. Typically after a song or two, you will have to adjust your stage tone - it's going to sound different with the band kicked in. Along with that, don't just boost controls, try cutting problem areas to hear yourself better. I typically cut around 100hz and below - this allows me hear the midrange and string detail a lot better.
Small adjustments and adjusting your technique are the most important things to keep in mind. |
12-12-2010, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by sikamikanico Best EQ for metal you ask?
boost everything to 11... | beat me to it 
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12-12-2010, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Winnb Man I haven't played metal in years, but back in the good ol days I cranked the mids and played with a pick. It's metal. Just beat the **** out of the bass in time with the drummer. It's all good. | This should be Stickied. 
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12-12-2010, 08:25 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Lafayette, LA | | | I got a Sansamp DI because our drummer mentioned that he couldn't hear me before.
After just adding a little bit of distortion (with the eq set to flat across the board), he told me I was ALL he could hear. Same situation, same practice space.... ONly change was adding a little bit of drive with the Sansamp.
At first I scooped the mids, that's proved to not cut thru for 2 practices. |
12-12-2010, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Winnb Man I haven't played metal in years, but back in the good ol days I cranked the mids and played with a pick. It's metal. Just beat the **** out of the bass in time with the drummer. It's all good. | Not thrash metal pal. maybe some black sabbath or something. thrash/death/etc bass often duplicates the other guitars, just deeper. its the drums that are in line with the other 3. in fact, the double bass drums mirror the alternate picking, which is 180 degrees from what rock guys would think. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGVyk_TObCo
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12-12-2010, 11:34 PM
| | Registered User | | Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: San Francisco Bay Area, CA | | | Whatever you do, don't scoop your mids. You'll probably get lost in the mix if you do that.
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12-12-2010, 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Sartori Whatever you do, don't scoop your mids. You'll probably get lost in the mix if you do that. |
actually its depending on the type of metal...
if you have a dense mix like say... cannibal corpse.. then you want lots of mids.. as Alex Webster states..
then on the other hand... Dave Ellefson says he scoops his EQ because in thrash metal the guitars has LOTS of mids.. thus making it pointless to try and cutthru with the mids.. |
12-12-2010, 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by AciDBatH666 I got a Sansamp DI because our drummer mentioned that he couldn't hear me before.
After just adding a little bit of distortion (with the eq set to flat across the board), he told me I was ALL he could hear. Same situation, same practice space.... ONly change was adding a little bit of drive with the Sansamp.
At first I scooped the mids, that's proved to not cut thru for 2 practices. | funny.. the sansamp tone is mainly from a mid scoop around 1k |
12-13-2010, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by diechris funny.. the sansamp tone is mainly from a mid scoop around 1k | It gave it a pretty wicked boost across the board. I'm not too techy with this stuff but I have a general understanding of bits and pieces of it.
I elaborate more in a thread I created when I was asking about adding a 1X15 to the mix to be heard.... 4X10, considering adding a 15 for more low end. Need a little input.
I didn't even have to put a lot of drive into it. I think it's turned to about 9-10 o'clock and I maybe boosted the bass just a little. It's about to be even louder because I'm using a bigger head with twice the power now.
I got the Sansamp because of this advice in that thread "Adding moderate distortion will improve presence in the midbass and midrange."
Well not JUST that advice, but from wanting some more gear that was geared a little in the "metal" direction. |
12-13-2010, 02:24 PM
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12-13-2010, 02:33 PM
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12-13-2010, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by page0103 yeah ill never scoop the mids
i listen to thrashy metal but i really like the sound of the bass on the annihilator album alice in hell but cant seem to replicate it, any suggestions? | low lows cut, lots of higher mids and some treble would be my call for that annihilator sound, but then again... I'm no expert...
again, never ever scoop your low mids...
These guitar players do have lots of low mids btw...
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