MICRO AMP HELP [[[ AGAIN ]]]

moeroncuban · #1 12-20-2011, 08:54 AM

Thanks for all the help....

Low Class · #2 12-20-2011, 09:30 AM

The MB800 is probably closer to what your 1001 sounds like. Plus more power is always good, especially with the micro amps.

Tunaman · #3 12-20-2011, 09:31 AM

So lets ask MOE some questions
1) Are you keeping the cab?
2) What tone did you want that couldn't get out of the old setup?
3) Does it need to be a super small head or can it be a little bigger size wise
4) Do you need super diversity in tone for coverbands, diverse music or just want your own signature tone?

pan1k · #4 12-20-2011, 09:33 AM

OR

Wait a few months, rumor is GK is coming out with a MBfusion 800. Apparently theres a demo of it on bassplayerlive but I can't seem to find it yet.

Low Class · #5 12-20-2011, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by pan1k

OR

Wait a few months, rumor is GK is coming out with a MBfusion 800. Apparently theres a demo of it on bassplayerlive but I can't seem to find it yet.

Well if a few months is anything like it took with the MB800, don't look for it anytime soon.

Tunaman · #6 12-20-2011, 09:48 AM

I'd still go big... 800w for sure with that cab (Although 500w would most likely be fine) Headroom is nice & having the wattage later lets you play around with more cabs later, extra wattage is cheap, has a better resale too (So you wont lose $)

Now... GK NEO series is VERY light on the low end, pretty strong in the high mids

I personally prefer tubes with GK NEOs...
IMO I strongly disagree with a MB500, MB800, 1001RB, 700RB with that cab. The tone is too thin & your diversity in tone will be lacking... unless thats just the tone you're shooting for.

Also... I think the Fusion micro 500 would be a much better match for that cab tone wise... but 500w? Meh

So yes you are at a LOSE-LOSE with the GK amps at this moment.

I personally love my Genz Benz Shuttlemax 9.2 which has both a MB Fusion Tube & MB800 FET channels & is 900 watts. Now its not as small size wise but is very light
The Markbass tube would be a good match as well as a Genz Benz Shuttle 9.0 which has the tube channel only. TC heads with a tube... etc

Try those out but I agree with you... GK heads for that 410 NEO right now are Lose Lose, IMO

pan1k · #7 12-20-2011, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Low Class

Well if a few months is anything like it took with the MB800, don't look for it anytime soon.

i feel ya. I wish there were more reviews on youtube for some of these heads. Cause anything i want right now, I'll have to order online which is making me nervous. Normally I like to go to the store, try it out, then buy it cheaper online. I'm thankful for ppl like KJung and Chef.

Here is what Chef told me when i was / still trying to select an amp:

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Originally Posted by Chef

I liked niether of those amps.
Tonehammer tone was not for me; too middy, and Streamliner was too flubby down low, and not enough mids.
I liked the MarkBass F500, and the GK MBFusion.
I like the GK212 with the MBFusion.

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Originally Posted by pan1k

I'm looking at downsizing my rig.

Im looking at a few class d amps i know youve either owned or tried out which would you go with? Also whats a good 2x12 cab?

Aguilar Tonehammer
Genz Benz Streamliner

**Chef** · #8 12-20-2011, 10:04 AM

You keep asking the same question in all the GK threads, and now have started your own thread...

It would seem you live close enough to Chicago you could just go actually try both of these heads if you wanted to.
Or, you could order both and return one.

They don't sound hugely different.

Tunaman · #9 12-20-2011, 10:16 AM

Unfortunately for MOE what he needs\wants in an amp is NOT provided by GK at this time. Brand loyalty or best fit for the cab? His choice but they are mutually exclusive

**Chef** · #10 12-20-2011, 10:19 AM

I think you're painting that picture more black and white than it is, but, everyone hears things a little (or sometimes, a lot) differently...

Tunaman · #11 12-20-2011, 10:30 AM

His situation actually is a little more black & white than most...

he needs a tube micro >800 watts, I think he knows it... and GK doesn't offer it

**Chef** · #12 12-20-2011, 10:34 AM

"needs" 800 watts....

I've never used all the MB-Fusion puts out, and even more so for the MB800...My needs certainly aren't everyone elses

IntrepidCellist · #13 12-20-2011, 10:37 AM

Figures that a GK guy would find the TH500 "too middy"

Just ribbing. That's one of the things I like about that head. It's very thick, punchy, and cutting, and it's also possible to tame the midrange with the semi-parametric mid controls if it's too much.

Tunaman · #14 12-20-2011, 10:39 AM

Oh he could definitely get my by the MB fusion at 500w... but with that cab? With all the other choices out there? You could grab a few better choices.

The 410 NEO is a beast, if you have a 500w amp might as well get a smaller cab

So final word

Littlemark Tube 800
Shuttle 9.0
Shuttlemax 9.2
TC 750
Streamliner 900 (My personal favorite with GK NEO cabs) But not versatile

Although the MB Fusion micro would still work

What wont work... MB800 too little lows with a cab that has too little lows

IntrepidCellist · #15 12-20-2011, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Tunaman

The 410 NEO is a beast, if you have a 500w amp might as well get a smaller cab

Why is wattage rating important with that cab? People played 410s with < 500w for years without a problem.

bassgod0dmw · #16 12-20-2011, 11:21 AM

Kinda impossible to offer any sort of help on this since there is no info in the OP.

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Originally Posted by Tunaman

Streamliner 900 (My personal favorite with GK NEO cabs) But not versatile

I'm going to have to disagree with this. Not as many bells and whistles as the other amps you listed, but it's certainly versatile when you start twiddling the knobs.

Tunaman · #17 12-20-2011, 11:23 AM

He'd be fine with 500w for sure... but if he wants long term flexibility grab some extra watts

I like bigger amps that can push a big 8 ohm cab if one day he grabs one of those, then its only putting out 350-375w

The cab can handle more why not use it?

Sure 500 watts works... but why not grab more if you can? It NEVER hurts to have too many watts, it COULD hurt to not have enough... outdoor gigs... two big 8 ohm cabs later...

**Chef** · #18 12-20-2011, 11:32 AM

OK: so, for you, this is about watts and tone seeming to be mutually exclusive?

In my user experience, the MBF and one 8 ohm 212 has been plenty.
Again, I'm not "everyman" in my needs.

Tunaman · #19 12-20-2011, 11:41 AM

Its about GK not having a micro tube amp >500 watts at this time

GK Fusion 500 tube micro is $699... I grabbed my Shuttlemax 9.2 for $689... Streamliner 900 for $750

Watts & features vs price goes to Genz... my fault for not making that clear.

Now cabs... price to performance edge goes to GK NEOs over Genz cabs

**Chef** · #20 12-20-2011, 11:45 AM

The GK MB800 is $699-ish on the street.
The MBF800 when it comes out will be priced in line with your GB stuff.

However, the SL900 and MBFusion sound very, very different; at least to me.