More volume?

HugeInJapan · #1 07-20-2011, 06:52 PM

My guitar player is constantly complaining that I am not playing loud enough at practice. He has a marshall half stack an I am running a carvin b1500 into a avatar 2x12 and 1x15, both 8 ohm. The guitar player suggested that I run two speaker cables into each cab instead of just one because the carvin has 4 outputs. I made up a reason that it wouldn't work because I would rather have him turn down than me turn up. But just out of curiousity, was he right? Would that give me a lower impedance and pull more wattage from the amp?

Philonius · #2 07-20-2011, 06:56 PM

My know-nothing self thinks not. But I'll bet if you try it, he'll convince himself that there is a "huge difference." or some such nonsense.

HugeInJapan · #3 07-20-2011, 07:01 PM

Oh I'm never going to try it with him around.... I'm just asking out of curiousity.

lowfreq33 · #4 07-20-2011, 07:01 PM

You should not do that. I don't know how the carvin is wired, but there's potential for damaging the amp, cab, or both.

Are you using a compessor? That can help with "perceived volume".

Dubista · #5 07-20-2011, 07:02 PM

Don't!

There is a high possibility that you will cause DAMAGE to either your amp or cab OR BOTH!

Philonius · #6 07-20-2011, 07:11 PM

Good thing you didn't listen to me! Remember, the internets are FULL of bad advice.

WhoDidTheElf · #7 07-20-2011, 07:15 PM

Even if it did draw more "wattage" from your amp, it wouldn't be enough to overcome the volume difference. (It won't, running a lead off your amp to the "out" on your cab will likely damage both the cab and the amp)

Takes 10x the watts to double your volume. Either get more speakers, or the more reasonable option, tell him to turn it down.

HugeInJapan · #8 07-20-2011, 07:47 PM

Glad I didn't let my curiosity get the better of me. Thanks for the info all!

s_mcsleazy · #9 07-20-2011, 07:49 PM

tell him to turn down

billfitzmaurice · #10 07-20-2011, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by s_mcsleazy

tell him to turn down

+1. Yeah, I know, he has to crank it 'to get my tone'.

If he had any sense he'd run a 1x12 so that he could get his tone without being stupid loud, but he is after all only a guitar'd player.

Quote:

The guitar player suggested that I run two speaker cables into each cab instead of just one because the carvin has 4 outputs.... But just out of curiousity, was he right?

Like I said, if he had any sense. He doesn't.

s_mcsleazy · #11 07-20-2011, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by billfitzmaurice

+1. Yeah, I know, he has to crank it 'to get my tone'.

If he had any sense he'd run a 1x12 so that he could get his tone without being stupid loud, but he is after all only a guitar'd player.
Like I said, if he had any sense. He doesn't.

alright bill just hope you dont end up like the last guy who agreed with me. he ended up naked in bridgeton painted blue with a beard implying papa smurf

Mcrelly · #12 07-20-2011, 09:33 PM

ask him to turn his bass knob settings down a bit so he can hear yours....

rodl2005 · #13 07-21-2011, 12:59 AM

LAst time I played with a Guitard who used a MArshall 1/2 stack at practice, He had his Marshall on 2/10 & was DEAFENINGLY loud- & I mean ear damage LAND!!!

Tell him - & massage his massive & dumb ego here

- in a calm soothing voice- " yes, I KNOW you've gotta get 'YOUR TONE' etc.... But you can get YOUR TONE with a lesser cab - even if it's JUST for practice- as we'll play quieter, be able to hear our mistakes , & therefore IMPROVE & be a BETTER band! If you just use a 1 x 12" cab - you can still turn up the amp, but it'll be quieter out here, in the real world & We won't all be deaf by the time we're finished with this band! "

Then YOU- the bassist won't have to be so damn loud & you can run the rig you have (or 1/2 of it) & be a good mix!

I feel for you man! These ppl are just SO ignorant.
We had to let our volume freak go, Sad, but a necessity

DeathFromBelow · #14 07-21-2011, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by s_mcsleazy

tell him to turn down

It's 8x10 time...

Sartori · #15 07-21-2011, 03:55 AM

Your guitarist should just turn down. No, you will not get more wattage from the amp if you add more cables. The extra jacks on your cabs are for daisy-chaining other cabs. Connecting two cables between one amp and one cab at best will do a whole lot of nothing. Not sure, but there perhaps might be the possibility of breaking your amp, also.

JohnMCA72 · #16 07-21-2011, 03:45 PM

Best possible case: Connecting parallel output jacks on the amp to parallel input jacks on the speaker would have the effect of using a larger-gauge speaker cable. In other words, no difference that anybody could measure, let alone notice.

Worse cases, as noted above, if there's something other than parallel jacks on either amp or speaker cabinet.

The solution is for you to move more air, or (preferably) for the guitar to move less. Tell him to screw "his tone" & work that stuff out on his own time. Rehearsal is for getting the different parts working tightly together. Playing at lower volume is going to expose all sorts of problems in players' techniques that would be hidden at higher volumes. Practicing at low volumes unmasks those problems & helps you become better players.

Marko5657 · #17 07-21-2011, 03:54 PM

I think you should tell the guitard to try plugging both of his amp outputs into one of his cabs…

In short order, he would be able to hear you better.

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