My dream second cabinet (or if Jim Bergantino granted wishes . . .)

BartmanPDX · #1 08-07-2010, 12:38 PM

I'd really like an AE115 that would have the same width and depth as the AE410 so it could fit right underneath.

I have an AE410 and have used it for years as my primary gigging cab. I absolutely LOVE it -- it's relatively easy to move, gets loud enough for the vast majority of my gigs, sounds great. But every once in a while, I wish I could go a little bigger for the biggest gigs. I once (at a GTG) got to try running it with a second AE410, and that was a truly incredible rig.

But I'd rather have an AE115 than a second AE410. If it had the same width and depth as the 410, it would probably not end up being all that tall -- maybe 20-22" at most, which would make the perfect platform for putting the 410 on top at the right height.

Being a Berg cab, it would sound great on its own as well. Then for practices I'd just bring the AE115 and a Genz Shuttle. It would probably weigh 50 lbs. or less, so it would make a super-easy load in. Then on the really big gigs, I'd break out the Mesa M9 and go with both cabs.

Anyway, that's my dream second cab. I'm sure there are likely a few others here who would be interested in one too.

BartmanPDX · #2 08-19-2010, 12:52 AM

Nobody? OK, maybe from a marketing standpoint it's a good thing he's not making an AE115, LOL.

I still think an AE115 combined with an AE410 would make a hell of a modular lightweight rig of doom.

johnk_10 · #3 08-19-2010, 01:09 AM

as been said on this forum by others, i'm not so sure a single 15 would really add much to your existing 4x10 (and IMO, you wouldn't really hear the 15 much at all). IME,a 1x15 can work well with a 2x10, but to get any real benefit a 4x10 would need a 2x15 to go with it. but i do think a single 15 is cool for smaller gigs and practice.

Grizzly700 · #4 08-19-2010, 05:29 AM

That would be a very expensive stand for your 410

KJung · #5 08-19-2010, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by johnk_10

as been said on this forum by others, i'm not so sure a single 15 would really add much to your existing 4x10 (and IMO, you wouldn't really hear the 15 much at all). IME,a 1x15 can work well with a 2x10, but to get any real benefit a 4x10 would need a 2x15 to go with it. but i do think a single 15 is cool for smaller gigs and practice.

+1 A 115 and a 410 are not a great combination if you are running a mono type head. If you make the 115 4ohm to match the impedance of the 410, you are in '2ohm land', and there arent' many 15" drivers that can keep up with 4 high quality 10" drivers. If you make the 15 8ohms, that works a bit better (although you are still at 2.67 ohms, which somewhat limits your head choice) and now you have SPL issues, etc.

It would make more sense to match the AE210 footprint with an AE115 IMO, although I would still prefer the 'same cab' stack if I was going modular.

Bmorefoozler · #6 08-19-2010, 08:12 AM

Is thre AE210 8 ohm? That might be your best bet. Throw it on top of the 4x10 in real big situations, or use it alone for small ones.

KJung · #7 08-19-2010, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Bmorefoozler

Is thre AE210 8 ohm? That might be your best bet. Throw it on top of the 4x10 in real big situations, or use it alone for small ones.

Yes, 8ohm. That is a very cool 'modular 610' idea (nominal impedance 2.67 ohms). Given the identical drivers used on the AE210 and AE410, and the 8ohm impedance of the 210 and 4ohm impedance of the 410, you get identical power going to and output coming from each driver (just as if you had a 610 cab). The other bonus is that with a solid state amp (capable of 2ohm operation), the amp will 'adjust' its power output to the modular components, putting out the least power with the 210 alone (8ohms), more with the 410 alone (4ohms) and the most with the 210/410 rig (2.67 ohms).

Perfect!

tombowlus · #8 08-19-2010, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Bmorefoozler

Is the AE210 8 ohm? That might be your best bet. Throw it on top of the 4x10 in real big situations, or use it alone for small ones.

Yes it is, and those two cabs match up very nicely (especially with the M6).

And regarding that facial expression, technically it is not "bass face," as I was in the middle of making a spectacularly funny face for the camera, but got victimized by a case of premature digitization.

Tom.

pickles · #9 08-19-2010, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Grizzly700

That would be a very expensive stand for your 410

I find this piece of late model collective internet wisdom to be incorrect in a lot of cases. A 115 under a 410, if its the right 115, can add throw, extension, thickness, and oomph to the rig. I had an Eden 115XLT at one point that was 20lbs over spec and I think had an extra burly driver. That cab was a tooth rattler in the extreme, and had awesome tone. It devastated the 210 it was running under and would have kept up with a 410 no problem. Both 8 ohms running mono it sounded louder than the 210, despite the specs. I also had good luck with the Triad + Goliath II rig years ago, and I've heard a lot of good stage tones over the years from 115+410 rigs, whether Hartkes, Ampegs ... it does work.

PSPookie · #10 08-19-2010, 08:23 AM

Perhaps an AE 115 wouldn't be the best match with the 410, but it is certainly a compelling concept on its own. I bet a pair of AE 115s wouldn't suck.

Saluki · #11 08-19-2010, 08:30 AM

I am a big fan of the modular AE610 with the M6. I an using it this weekend with rehearsal tonight. I use the AE210 at home/practices and then just stack it on the AE410 when needed/wanted. Just FYI, it is rarely needed, but more often wanted

. Hey I am bass player what can I say....at least my rig looks killer, even it the volume on the M6 is at <9

Sliderbass · #12 08-19-2010, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by tombowlus

Yes it is, and those two cabs match up very nicely (especially with the M6).

And regarding that facial expression, technically it is not "bass face," as I was in the middle of making a spectacularly funny face for the camera, but got victimized by a case of premature digitization.

Tom.

Tom:

Is there a rig, or amp or cab that you don't have?

When I grow up, I want to be just like Tom!

KJung · #13 08-19-2010, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by pickles

I find this piece of late model collective internet wisdom to be incorrect in a lot of cases. A 115 under a 410, if its the right 115, can add throw, extension, thickness, and oomph to the rig. I had an Eden 115XLT at one point that was 20lbs over spec and I think had an extra burly driver. That cab was a tooth rattler in the extreme, and had awesome tone. It devastated the 210 it was running under and would have kept up with a 410 no problem. Both 8 ohms running mono it sounded louder than the 210, despite the specs. I also had good luck with the Triad + Goliath II rig years ago, and I've heard a lot of good stage tones over the years from 115+410 rigs, whether Hartkes, Ampegs ... it does work.

This is a different topic. We were talking about a super high quality, very high SPL 410 like the AE410 and an 8ohm 115 cab. Sure, it will work, and could sound fine. However, typically much better to use the same cab at the same impedance, or 'half the same cab' and double the impedance.

A 115 and 210, both running at 8ohms makes quite a bit of sense to me. A 4ohm 410 and an 8ohm (or 4ohm) 115... not so much. Of course, if the 410 you are using sucks, an additional cab can be an improvement no matter what!

rpsands · #14 08-19-2010, 10:14 AM

It's really challenging to get any 15 to match the real sensitivity of a 4 ohm 4x10, especially a high quality one like the Berg. Even a Kappalite 3015 (the higher sensitivity non-LF model) would be hard pressed to compete.

Honestly if I was a band mate and you tried to use more volume than an AE410 can produce on stage with me, I would probably punch you.

KJung · #15 08-19-2010, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by rpsands

Honestly if I was a band mate and you tried to use more volume than an AE410 can produce on stage with me, I would probably punch you.

This is probably the most important point of all

lomo · #16 08-19-2010, 10:35 AM

[quote=pickles;9584083]I find this piece of late model collective internet wisdom to be incorrect in a lot of cases. A 115 under a 410, if its the right 115, can add throw, extension, thickness, and oomph to the rig. I had an Eden 115XLT at one point that was 20lbs over spec and I think had an extra burly driver. That cab was a tooth rattler in the extreme, and had awesome tone. It devastated the 210 it was running under and would have kept up with a 410 no problem. Both 8 ohms running mono it sounded louder than the 210, despite the specs. I also had good luck with the Triad + Goliath II rig years ago, and I've heard a lot of good stage tones over the years from 115+410 rigs, whether Hartkes, Ampegs ... it does work.[/QUOTE

There are exceptions to every rule, and the only way to find them is to try them.......not necessarily what you want when putting cash on the table without a gig volume trial.

rpsands · #17 08-19-2010, 10:42 AM

I'd love to sit a bunch of people down and A/B 4 ohm 4x10s on stands, with a stack of 8 ohm 4x10 and 1x15 from the same lines.

BartmanPDX · #18 08-19-2010, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Bmorefoozler

Is thre AE210 8 ohm? That might be your best bet. Throw it on top of the 4x10 in real big situations, or use it alone for small ones.

The one problem I have with the AE210 (great cab, BTW) is that it's so shallow that I'd get nervous about putting my rack on top of it. If it were the same depth as the AE410 I'd probably already have one.

I also think that even at lower volumes, an AE115 would add a nice little bit of extra low end. I'm not trying to fundamentally change the tone, which I already love. So I don't think the addition of a 115 would ruin the sound of the 410. While it might not be as nicely complementary as a 115 and a 210, I think it would still sound pretty darn good.

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Originally Posted by Grizzly700

That would be a very expensive stand for your 410

That's probably a lot of what it would be doing -- raising the 410 to a better height. I've built a box stand for the 410 which I've used on occasion (as well as a Quiklok stand), but a small cab would work just as well, and add a nice bit of extra low end on the biggest stages.

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Originally Posted by rpsands

Honestly if I was a band mate and you tried to use more volume than an AE410 can produce on stage with me, I would probably punch you.

LMAO.

And yes, while the AE410 gets as loud as I need, since when was that enough?

I play with a drummer who used to tour in a heavy metal band. He can get pretty loud too. I like the extra "gravity" of a big rig even when I'm not using it, which is why I went with the AE410 even though I probably could have gotten away with just the AE210 in many situations.

Saluki · #19 08-24-2010, 06:13 AM

Here is the side shot of AE410 with AE210 stacked and Gator shallow case 3 space rack on top of that. Pretty sturdy for my environment. Small, cramped stage probably not, but then you only nee the 410

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BartmanPDX · #20 08-24-2010, 09:10 AM

Thanks for the pic, Saluki!

I remembered the AE210 as being a little shallower than yours appears -- it looks like the shallow rack (I have the same model, but in a 6-space format) fits on top of there just fine. I'm going to be racking my Mesa M9 in that shallow rack, so I might be able to create a similar rig down the road . . .