Are my ears jacked or what?

bass4u · #1 10-11-2010, 07:34 PM

For the past 15 years I've used only 2x10,4x10,6x10,8x10,1x12 cabinets by numerous different manufacturers. I've owned SVTs,Eden,SWR,Aguilar,GK,Trace Elliot amps and numerous preamp/poweramp combinations.

Last night at rehearsal for one of the three bands I play in, I had left my GK cabinets at one of the other bands practice space and thought I was screwed. The guitar player said no problem and wheeled a huge Peavey 2x15 cabinet with Black Widow speakers in it out for me to use. I honestly can't remember the last time I played through a 15in speaker.

I had my GK MB500 with me and plugged in the 2x15. Much to my surprise the cabinet produced more low end then I was ever gonna use! Normally on the MB500 I have the Lo Mid and Bass controls set at 12-1 o'clock. I had to turn both knobs down to 9 o'clock to keep from dominating the practice space.

I know everyone says a 4x10 can put out more low end than 15's and the specs say that too, but for the life of me the 2x15 cabinet sure sounded like it produced more low end than any of the cabinets I've owned that I mentioned above.

All the members of the band commented on it too so I guess it's not my illusion. Now I have GAS pains and will be researching 15 in cabinets. It never ends........

Derek Kiernan · #2 10-11-2010, 07:41 PM

Speaker diameter doesn't have a frequency response, you're going to get a bunch of replies to that effect. It's dependent on the entirety of the design.

Jim Carr · #3 10-11-2010, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bass4u

...The guitar player said no problem and wheeled a huge Peavey 2x15 cabinet...

Huge is the word...

bass4u · #4 10-11-2010, 07:51 PM

But it was a Peavey! HAHAHA

bass4u · #5 10-11-2010, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Carr

Huge is the word...

hmmm, never thought about it that way.

Roadkill · #6 10-11-2010, 07:57 PM

A 2x10 over a 1x15 has always been an interesting sound

Vetchking · #7 10-11-2010, 08:46 PM

Vetchking@aol.com, Here:

Here's a thought. I'm a 57 yr old drummer / producer.

The guitar guy has 3 pedals. Cool.

The keyboard guy has a killer 3 keyboard set up of 3,000 sounds. Very cool/ Well only if he knows which ones where!

So I'm a semi-pro. My tonal palet comes from 4 drums and 6 cymbals.

Now... that's not enough for me. So I bring 6 drums, 2 ride cymbals and a total of 8 cymbals.

I now have a tonal palett and some options.

Not cause I want haul all that........... But, because I care.

We play a lot of different songs. I need some tones.

NOW.......... the bass guy comes in with a 2 x 10.

What the Hell is that?

Your the bass player.......... Wanna bring in an amp?

Someone will help you carry it.

Don't you get it????? Where's the bass. Where's the tone.

Turn offf that tweeter.... Your the bass Player.

Yes it makes sound.... Whoooo.....

Makes me wanna go home............... Later

iamdenialNJ · #8 10-11-2010, 08:51 PM

I'm going to add a 1x15 to my 2x10 sometime in the very near future. I think it'll bring a big sound with great portability. I'm looking forward to it but I need new tubes for my head first.

billfitzmaurice · #9 10-11-2010, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Carr

Huge is the word...

+1. Stuffing as many drivers as possible into a small box isn't the way to a big bottom. Giving drivers a large enough box so that they can work is.

gus1894 · #10 10-11-2010, 09:05 PM

I imagine the 2 15's would sound huge!

I played a Fender Rumble 2x10 that pushed out 100 watts. I played with 2 loud guitarists and a drummer whose idea of dynamics is "how hard can I hit these things?" (but I love him like a brother). I used that amp with them for close to two years. I never had the thing past noon and I never had a problem with me or them hearing my bass and it always sounded like a bass. Nowadays, their new bassist uses that same Fender 2x10 and I've seen them play a number of times from the other side of the stage. The amp thing kills. Sounds like a bass should. It's not just speaker size. It's the amp, the eq, the bass, the pickups and pre in the bass, the player, effects (if used)...

bass4u - there are so many options out there - whose to say what will work best for you? I firmly believe that speaker sizes do make a difference, but there is a lot more to it IMO. But you know this, I see the list of amps/cabs you've used! To me I think unless your playing a huge room, you don't need more than 1 15". I have my MB2-500 going through a 15" an 8" and a horn at the moment, I almost typically run the EQ flat. I am moving to 12's (and a 6") though, I think it's going to carry the low end and provide the punch I want. We shall see!

But I'm rambling, I think - I hope I've said something helpful!

jelwood · #11 10-11-2010, 10:54 PM

The 2 15 cabinet was taller and hence was more at ear level to you guys than the 410. If the cabinet was really really big, then yes it is possible that the 2 15 cab could have gone as low if not lower than your 410. I know that frequency response is loosely a function of speaker size and speaker enclosure size, that is, the larger the drivers you use, the bigger the enclosure must be to attain the same low end.

Fenderwolf95 · #12 10-11-2010, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iamdenialNJ

I'm going to add a 1x15 to my 2x10 sometime in the very near future. I think it'll bring a big sound with great portability. I'm looking forward to it but I need new tubes for my head first.

I'm running a 2x10 with a 1x15. Sounds great.

Plstrns · #13 10-12-2010, 01:22 AM

I think the key is; There wasn't as many highs/ high mids and you preferred that tone. JMO

silky smoove · #14 10-12-2010, 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vetchking

NOW.......... the bass guy comes in with a 2 x 10.

What the Hell is that?

Your the bass player.......... Wanna bring in an amp?

Someone will help you carry it.

Don't you get it????? Where's the bass. Where's the tone.

Turn offf that tweeter.... Your the bass Player.

Yes it makes sound.... Whoooo.....

Makes me wanna go home............... Later

Please do go home. Your posts hurt my soul.

aledeville · #15 10-12-2010, 01:49 AM

The bigger the cab, the more lows you get. That's why subwoofers are as deep as wide.

Son of Bovril · #16 10-12-2010, 02:08 AM

I reckon it just produced less clarity and top end so it seemed like more low end at the same volume...

Violen · #17 10-12-2010, 02:13 AM

The best sounding cab i ever got rid of was a Peavey 2x15 cab that was double ported (there was a dividing wall down the middle.) Black widows.

Laugh at peavey all you want but black widows sound awesome. Really Really Awesome. Id kill to have another one of those cabs. Back in the day Peavey made some great sounding stuff at an affordable price.

Son of Bovril · #18 10-12-2010, 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vetchking

Vetchking@aol.com, Here:

Here's a thought. I'm a 57 yr old drummer / producer.

The guitar guy has 3 pedals. Cool.

The keyboard guy has a killer 3 keyboard set up of 3,000 sounds. Very cool/ Well only if he knows which ones where!

So I'm a semi-pro. My tonal palet comes from 4 drums and 6 cymbals.

Now... that's not enough for me. So I bring 6 drums, 2 ride cymbals and a total of 8 cymbals.

I now have a tonal palett and some options.

Not cause I want haul all that........... But, because I care.

We play a lot of different songs. I need some tones.

NOW.......... the bass guy comes in with a 2 x 10.

What the Hell is that?

Your the bass player.......... Wanna bring in an amp?

Someone will help you carry it.

Don't you get it????? Where's the bass. Where's the tone.

Turn offf that tweeter.... Your the bass Player.

Yes it makes sound.... Whoooo.....

Makes me wanna go home............... Later

lol so 3 pedals makes the guitarist OK?

thats hilarious! Cause obviously more gear equals better... right?

ROFL! So Lame

Roadkill · #19 10-12-2010, 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Violen

The best sounding cab i ever got rid of was a Peavey 2x15 cab that was double ported (there was a dividing wall down the middle.) Black widows.

I have one of their 30 year old shallow BW 1x18" cabs - I bought it new when I got tired of hauling around a V4B head w/ V9 cab (9x10"). For a 1x18" cab that you can pick up and carry yourself it does alright on the low end

. A modern PV118 sub is about as light and I'm wondering what one of those would sound like if you bypassed the internal low pass coil

.

Burlington · #20 10-12-2010, 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vetchking

Vetchking@aol.com, Here:

Here's a thought. I'm a 57 yr old drummer / producer.

The guitar guy has 3 pedals. Cool.

The keyboard guy has a killer 3 keyboard set up of 3,000 sounds. Very cool/ Well only if he knows which ones where!

So I'm a semi-pro. My tonal palet comes from 4 drums and 6 cymbals.

Now... that's not enough for me. So I bring 6 drums, 2 ride cymbals and a total of 8 cymbals.

I now have a tonal palett and some options.

Not cause I want haul all that........... But, because I care.

We play a lot of different songs. I need some tones.

NOW.......... the bass guy comes in with a 2 x 10.

What the Hell is that?

Your the bass player.......... Wanna bring in an amp?

Someone will help you carry it.

Don't you get it????? Where's the bass. Where's the tone.

Turn offf that tweeter.... Your the bass Player.

Yes it makes sound.... Whoooo.....

Makes me wanna go home............... Later

Ok..................