My Schoreder 310212 wimp out.

[gary mitchell]

Man I was so happy about that cab at practice,and bragged about it. I played my first gig Saturday at a Christmas thing for the town of Salado. We were in a very large tent very large, and I just could not get the volume out of it like I did my 210 cab and the 18 cab. Now Iam thinking should I have sold my other cabs. This cab is rated at 2100 watts and my SWR 700 was just couldn't push it. I had the volume over 3/4 the way up tried everything. Also know one likes moving it cause it weighs 100pds. My drummer wants me to get an old 210 cab put the schoreder speakers and horn in it, then find a 212 cab put the 12 out of the schoreder in it. I told him be better off trading it are something. Maybe my SWR just cant handle it I don't know. If I had the money sometimes I think I just might buy one of those Carvin BRX 1200 watt 410 are something. Iam getting burn out on my quest for sound when you don't have much money.

[Eric Moesle]

Unless there was a phasing problem with the internal wiring of the Schroeder, there is NO WAY it was less quiet than a 2x10 plus a 1x18. No way at all.

I'm willing to bet what you heard was a lack of perceived volume because you were outdoors in a tent, without walls to assist the sound.

Wait and use the Schroeder somewhere indoors where you usually play, and I think you will be blown away by the volume.

[wcriley]

Another possibility:
Was the whole band running off a single 100' extension cord?

[Bass_Pounder]

Originally Posted by gary mitchell

We were in a very large tent very large, and I just could not get the volume out of it like I did my 210 cab and the 18 cab.

Unless you played the 2X10/1X18 in the same exact environment - you cannot compare relative or perceived volume.

Originally Posted by Eric Moesle

Unless there was a phasing problem with the internal wiring of the Schroeder, there is NO WAY it was less quiet than a 2x10 plus a 1x18. No way at all.

I'm willing to bet what you heard was a lack of perceived volume because you were outdoors in a tent, without walls to assist the sound.

Wait and use the Schroeder somewhere indoors where you usually play, and I think you will be blown away by the volume.

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[gary mitchell]

Most of our gigs are out doors, the bottom wasn't there but I wasn't expecting it to be as low as the 18. I don't think we were running off the same extension cord. we have done that before not a lot but we have. MY old cabs use to be a Aguilar GS210 and the Peavey Lowrider 18 running at 8ohms. The 310212 is running at 4ohms.

[Eminor3rd]

Try this:

Start with the EQ flat.

[gary mitchell]

A guy at the Bass Empourium told me, I didn't have enough amp to run it. He said I needed a different head. He told me that the SWR Workingpro 700 and that line just didn't produce a lot of low end and was sterile sounding. Also it just wasn't man enough to run that big of cab. Either a new head are a new cab. I didn't see one SWR in there are any Schoreder cab.

[BurningSkies]

Schroeder.

[BassIan]

Originally Posted by Eric Moesle

Unless there was a phasing problem with the internal wiring of the Schroeder, there is NO WAY it was less quiet than a 2x10 plus a 1x18. No way at all.

I'm willing to bet what you heard was a lack of perceived volume because you were outdoors in a tent, without walls to assist the sound.

Wait and use the Schroeder somewhere indoors where you usually play, and I think you will be blown away by the volume.

Actually, internal wiring phase problems are worth checking for on the 310212. When I owned one, it arrived with one of the 12" drivers out of phase among other wiring issues. I had the same complaint as the OP until I rewired correctly.

Otherwise, gary, remember that there are some venues where the bottom will just drop out no matter how nice your gear. Also remember that Schroeders achieve their high sensitivity by sacrificing a lot of low-end response. Their output sub-100hz is going to be pretty small, and will also probably be displacement limited (not power limited) due to the "lots of drivers in an undersized ported enclosure" design approach.

In other words, you won't get a lot of low end from that cabinet. They're great for hearing yourself on stage, which requires lots of low-midrange response, but they won't flap your pants.

[BassIan]

Originally Posted by gary mitchell

A guy at the Bass Empourium told me, I didn't have enough amp to run it. He said I needed a different head. He told me that the SWR Workingpro 700 and that line just didn't produce a lot of low end and was sterile sounding. Also it just wasn't man enough to run that big of cab. Either a new head are a new cab. I didn't see one SWR in there are any Schoreder cab.

Adding power might help, but be careful how much you buy into the "SWR is Sterile" hype. They're good quality amps that sound great. Just don't over-use the low end EQ and sap all of your power into low-end that the cabinet can't reproduce.

[Scatterblak]

Originally Posted by gary mitchell

A guy at the Bass Empourium told me, I didn't have enough amp to run it. He said I needed a different head. He told me that the SWR Workingpro 700 and that line just didn't produce a lot of low end and was sterile sounding. Also it just wasn't man enough to run that big of cab. Either a new head are a new cab. I didn't see one SWR in there are any Schoreder cab.

He might be right. 2100 is the peak, isn't it? What's the RMS? If you're venturing into those realms, it might be time to move over to a preamp-poweramp setup. I guarantee that you can put a demeter pre and a crown xls2000 (only $449 at zzounds), and 2100W (into 4 Ohms - can't go 2 bridged on xls) of bridged power, and you'll hear plenty of volume.

[BassIan]

Originally Posted by Scatterblak

He might be right. 2100 is the peak, isn't it? What's the RMS? If you're venturing into those realms, it might be time to move over to a preamp-poweramp setup. I guarantee that you can put a demeter pre and a crown xls2000 (only $449 at zzounds), and 2100W (into 4 Ohms - can't go 2 bridged on xls) of bridged power, and you'll hear plenty of volume.

Unless he's at the limit of what his speakers can do. Remember that at BEST, doubling your power provides 3dB of additional volume. That 3dB of power can be easily consumed with even very sparing EQ.

Take a look at the whole amplifier rig and make sure it's the right tool for the job. If it doesn't sound right now, adding more power isn't necessarily the best solution.

[christw]

Isn't SWR the maker that catches a lot of flak for not putting high pass filters in the amps to filter out those ultra low frequencies that just sap power?

[BassIan]

Originally Posted by christw

Isn't SWR the maker that catches a lot of flak for not putting high pass filters in the amps to filter out those ultra low frequencies that just sap power?

Nothing that can't be mitigated with some low shelving cut, or even one of those in-line high pass filters.

I'd be surprised if this was lacking but I haven't taken one apart to see.

[gary mitchell]

Remember Iam a big dummy, where could I go to get a wiring diagram of this cab. I couldn't get nothing from Schoreder maybe because they don't make this cab no more.

[gary mitchell]

How would you wire 310s and 212s and a horn. I wouldn't know if it was not wired right are not. I could tell you if a wire came off. I could do with a diagram.

[DeepCalls2Deep]

Originally Posted by gary mitchell

Remember Iam a big dummy, where could I go to get a wiring diagram of this cab. I couldn't get nothing from Schoreder maybe because they don't make this cab no more.

Have you called Jorg Schroeder? In my experience with him, though it was a couple of years ago, he was always MORE than willing to help out a client.

[Gearhead17]

This particular Schroeder is 2100 watts RMS. I definitely agree with contacting Jorg and trying to figure out what is wrong with your cab. I owned the 1212 for a short time and that was a LOUD CAB! Your cab should be able to put most 810's to shame quickly.

Carvin BX1200 is a sweet amp - I have two of them and it pushed the Schroeder wonderfully. You need to try your rig in a different room then try it in the same spot with a different bass head. Then you can figure out if it's your head or the cab.

Acoustics will mess with EVERY RIG out there. In some rooms, a little cab will crush while in other rooms a big rig will cut it.

[Son of Bovril]

When I got my 310212 it was also wired out of phase. check with a 9v battery on the speaker cable and see if all the speakers are moving in the same direction when you touch it to the battery? I have some wiring diagrams somewhere, I'll have a look...

I contacted Jorg for the correct diagrams but whoever was doing them for him sent me incorrectly wired diagrams twice... eventually I just wired it myself

The low end of this cab does roll off rather high IME so it will sound softer when playing on some of the lower notes in comparison to higher up the scale...

You don't need a whole lot of watts to get this cab loud if it is wired correctly but I found that pushing the low end on an SWR is not gonna get you a big full tone, try adding in some low mids at like 200hz to fatten up the sound

[cardboardJoe]

sounds like you needed the rig of doom..
Classic 400 into an SVT 810, and an SVT 300 feeding the Schroe..
Nothing like 700 watts pushin 13 10's and 2 12's...

Just sayin