Need cab advice... SVT210AV or B210 NEO?

solarplexus · #1 03-02-2011, 05:11 PM

Hi,

looking to get a 2x10 cab. I have narrowed down my search to two models based mostly on price to fit my budget and also availability. Which one would you recommend me between the Ampeg SVT210AV and the Avatar B210 NEO? Now I know that the Ampeg is lighter, but lacks a ported enclosure. The B210 is heavier, but not too much for me, has a ported enclosure so from what I read would have better bass response? I play a P bass with flats and a J bass with GHS brite flats and I am planning on using both a Yorkville xs400H and a GK MB200 or Carvin BX250.

I also plan on getting another matching cab later for either one or the other to put the load at 4 ohms.

Any input/comments would be appreciated.

Thanks.

username1 · #2 03-02-2011, 05:20 PM

I would go with the avatar. They both use eminence speakers but the speakers in the avatar are much better speakers with higher power handling. I guess it depends on if you like your cab sealed or ported also. You also have the choice of 8ohm or 4 ohm with the avatar.

JimmyM · #3 03-02-2011, 08:08 PM

i absolutely love my 210av, but imho you have to like ampeg sealed 810's to dig it. since i do, not a problem for me.

solarplexus · #4 03-02-2011, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JimmyM

i absolutely love my 210av, but imho you have to like ampeg sealed 810's to dig it. since i do, not a problem for me.

And for a guy like me who never had the chance to actually hear a live 8x10 Ampeg rig, what would you recommend?

EDIT: I MAY have heard many during shows of reputable bands, but I never gave much attention to it because I was a guitardist before and haven't been in a good show since my transition...

JimmyM · #5 03-02-2011, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by solarplexus

And for a guy like me who never had the chance to actually hear a live 8x10 Ampeg rig, what would you recommend?

i'd recommend seeking one out and plugging in

solarplexus · #6 03-02-2011, 08:27 PM

I'm honestly not looking at a particular sound, but rather at reliability and loudness?

JimmyM · #7 03-02-2011, 08:30 PM

if you're looking for loudness, skip 210's altogether, or at least plan on getting two. i'm sure with the neos, the avatar cab will go louder, and might go deeper. reliability, i can't speak on avatar as i never owned one. but if loudness was important to me, i'd never use just a 210 of any brand.

solarplexus · #8 03-02-2011, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by JimmyM

if you're looking for loudness, skip 210's altogether, or at least plan on getting two. i'm sure with the neos, the avatar cab will go louder, and might go deeper. reliability, i can't speak on avatar as i never owned one. but if loudness was important to me, i'd never use just a 210 of any brand.

Yep, getting another matching one in the future is my plan. One to rehearse, two for medium gigs.

Steady · #9 03-02-2011, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by solarplexus

Yep, getting another matching one in the future is my plan. One to rehearse, two for medium gigs.

I had a Avatar B210 Neo for several years - very reliable, never had any issues with it. Nice tone, was great for smaller gigs. Replaced it with an Avatar 4x10 which has been great, too. I was going to buy a second B210 but found a killer deal on the 410 in their "Scratch & Dent" specials.

solarplexus · #10 03-03-2011, 07:15 AM

Anyone else would like to chime in? I am leaning towards the Avatar because of the output power (500RMS) which in the long run would be beneficial if I get a more powerful head. It might never happen, but having the option is good IMO.

JimmyM · #11 03-03-2011, 07:53 AM

good luck getting 500w into a 210. they may say it, but no way it'll take that much in the real world.

redheadfreak · #12 03-03-2011, 08:42 AM

I have (2) Avatar B210 NEO and they pump.
I was using a single one in my living room and it was rattling a car out front of my house (plus everything in my house).
They are efficient and they can handle the wattage if you have it.

solarplexus · #13 03-03-2011, 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by redheadfreak

I have (2) Avatar B210 NEO and they pump.
I was using a single one in my living room and it was rattling a car out front of my house (plus everything in my house).
They are efficient and they can handle the wattage if you have it.

From your experience would you say that one would be good enough for rehearsals and small gigs with DI and two for larger gigs? Would too also work for outside gigs?

impactwrench · #14 03-03-2011, 08:58 AM

I have the 8 ohm B210 delta, which handles 700 watts (but you should read some more posts in the amp section and realize that watts are not a good indicator of how much a cab can handle). I have played gigs with it alone, usually with a Backline 600 pushing it. It did fine in a small joint, and I have very little PA support. I think 2 of them would give you plenty of volume for medium-large bars inside, but you may need more wattage from your amps. I'm not familiar with the yorkville, is it 400 watts at 4 ohms? That would probably be enough.

solarplexus · #15 03-03-2011, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by impactwrench

I have the 8 ohm B210 delta, which handles 700 watts (but you should read some more posts in the amp section and realize that watts are not a good indicator of how much a cab can handle). I have played gigs with it alone, usually with a Backline 600 pushing it. It did fine in a small joint, and I have very little PA support. I think 2 of them would give you plenty of volume for medium-large bars inside, but you may need more wattage from your amps. I'm not familiar with the yorkville, is it 400 watts at 4 ohms? That would probably be enough.

Yes 400watts @ 4ohms and the other one would be 200-250W @ 4 ohms.

redheadfreak · #16 03-03-2011, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by solarplexus

From your experience would you say that one would be good enough for rehearsals and small gigs with DI and two for larger gigs? Would too also work for outside gigs?

That is what I do.
I rarely need 2 cabs but I have nice amplification.
Outside it is nice to have 2.

impactwrench · #17 03-03-2011, 09:08 AM

When you say DI, what kind of PA are you talking about? We use 2 decent 1x15 mains and two ratty old monitors. So I kinda have to bring my own grunt to the gig. If youve got a big setup with subs and whatnot, you probably only need one cab.

solarplexus · #18 03-03-2011, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by impactwrench

When you say DI, what kind of PA are you talking about? We use 2 decent 1x15 mains and two ratty old monitors. So I kinda have to bring my own grunt to the gig. If youve got a big setup with subs and whatnot, you probably only need one cab.

With DI I mean that most shows I play will have a soundman and a board ready. In those case, I just need one cab IMO. Then, if there is no soundboard ready, it will mean that it is usually a small crappy bar, which one cab would also do. The next situation would be an outdoor gig at a private party, which would have no adequate PA for my bass, just vocals, which would then mean two cabs, IMO.

Am I thinking this right?

Youngspanion · #19 03-03-2011, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JimmyM

if you're looking for loudness, skip 210's altogether, or at least plan on getting two. .......... but if loudness was important to me, i'd never use just a 210 of any brand.

What would you say then if loudness was important?

JimmyM · #20 03-03-2011, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Youngspanion

What would you say then if loudness was important?

at the very least, nothing smaller than a 410. most likely it would be an 810, or one of those giant fearful cabs with two 3015lf's and two mid cones, or a big version of one of bill fitzmaurice's horn loaded cabs.