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B-string · #21 01-21-2013, 01:28 PM

BTW here is a 15/6 flat pack (un-built) with the 3015LF. I used my zip code (I think this link will work) so you can see what you could get. You would have to assemble and add all hardware, apply a finish ect. http://www.speakerhardware.com/cart....hp%3Fcat%3D138
If it doesn't show it came out to $422 with shipping. You will need to also buy an input plate, handles, T-nuts, screws, wiring and finish.

GroovinOnFunk · #22 01-21-2013, 01:58 PM

wow! thank you guys so much for you help and support!

maybe if my 410 setup (MB210 + 210MBE) weighs as little as it does, I can invest in a 115 that might have some weight to it... These are all such great suggestions! I really appreciate it!

B-string · #23 01-21-2013, 02:00 PM

That's why we (most of us anyway) come here.

GroovinOnFunk · #24 01-21-2013, 02:05 PM

OH... i see... boy, I know a lot about basses and yet, seemingly, nothing about bass amps and cabs. The Eminence 3015LF is a type of Neo speaker. So it's still light, even with the 3015LF. The avatar option is looking better and better. I agree that the TB153 looks awesome. It's a little more than my budget allows... but I might be able to move some pedals and make up the difference.

christw · #25 01-21-2013, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GroovinOnFunk

OH... i see... boy, I know a lot about basses and yet, seemingly, nothing about bass amps and cabs. The Eminence 3015LF is a type of Neo speaker. So it's still light, even with the 3015LF. The avatar option is looking better and better. I agree that the TB153 looks awesome. It's a little more than my budget allows... but I might be able to move some pedals and make up the difference.

You can buy used. I see them on the TB classifieds or craigslist occasionally.

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Originally Posted by B-string

That's why we (most of us anyway) come here.

I come here to argue and insult people. Can't you tell?

B-string · #26 01-21-2013, 02:11 PM

If you can swing the TB153 do it. Otherwise the B115 is next best for your cost needs.
Yes the 3015LF is NEO and very light weight, but a major heavy-weight in performance!

B-string · #27 01-21-2013, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by christw

You can buy used. I see them on the TB classifieds or craigslist occasionally.

I come here to argue and insult people. Can't you tell?

Blue_Whistle88 · #28 01-21-2013, 02:28 PM

Yea, that's not bi-amping, it's just running two amps. AKAIK, bi-amping is when you have a frequency crossover (or "split" in layman's terms) coming out of the preamp, and have one half of the frequencies going to one cab, and the other half going to a different cab.

I wouldn't recommend you do that though because, frankly, two 210 cabinets for a funk band should be plenty. Adding the extra amp and cabinet is gonna make your rig a real pain to move around, and you won't need the extra volume. Instead, play with your existing amp's settings, keeping the 210 extension, until you find the tone you want. A bass amp shouldn't have any trouble getting the tone you're after, especially not with four ten inch speakers and 500 watts at your disposal.

What are your current amp settings? And what tone controls are there on the amp that you can play with? Try turning up the bass, but if possible also turn up the low-mids. That's where a lot of your low-end punch is, and if you're sounding thin in a live mix it usually helps to boost those. But as for the "feeling the bass" thing, definitely turn up the lows until they get satisfied. Just make sure you don't also crank the treble control to compensate for what might sound like lost clarity, for two reasons:

1.) That will cause relative loss of mid-range, which WILL cause loss of tonal presence (read "cut)

2.) Standing close to the amp those higher frequencies mightn't seem to be present, but at a distance they certainly will be, especially if your cabs have horns in them. This is because low frequencies don't project as consistently as higher frequences in open air, so at range those highs will cut anyway.

Downunderwonder · #29 01-21-2013, 02:51 PM

Adding a hpf is a great idea. The 4 tens will go louder without lows sapping power and giving them a hard time. Mind you don't cook them.

Adding random full range cab is fraught with random negative possibility for mucky mids.

Your band should invest in proper PA if they want to boom. Short of that a crossover and sub for your rig is over your budget unless diy. If you're going to diy you might as well replace everything, game on.

GroovinOnFunk · #30 01-21-2013, 02:56 PM

Very thorough and helpful! Thanks so much for your input as well as everybody else who has chimed in.

I think I'll do another "loud" gig or two with my current setup and see what happens. Because the MB210 and 210MBE tend to be so boomy, I'm scared to give the bass eq much juice. Usually have the bass flat, lo-mid at about 1 o'clock, hi-mid at around 10 o'clock, treble at around 2 o'clock. But then I ALSO boost the bass and treb on my stingray.

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Originally Posted by Blue_Whistle88

Yea, that's not bi-amping, it's just running two amps. AKAIK, bi-amping is when you have a frequency crossover (or "split" in layman's terms) coming out of the preamp, and have one half of the frequencies going to one cab, and the other half going to a different cab.

I wouldn't recommend you do that though because, frankly, two 210 cabinets for a funk band should be plenty. Adding the extra amp and cabinet is gonna make your rig a real pain to move around, and you won't need the extra volume. Instead, play with your existing amp's settings, keeping the 210 extension, until you find the tone you want. A bass amp shouldn't have any trouble getting the tone you're after, especially not with four ten inch speakers and 500 watts at your disposal.

What are your current amp settings? And what tone controls are there on the amp that you can play with? Try turning up the bass, but if possible also turn up the low-mids. That's where a lot of your low-end punch is, and if you're sounding thin in a live mix it usually helps to boost those. But as for the "feeling the bass" thing, definitely turn up the lows until they get satisfied. Just make sure you don't also crank the treble control to compensate for what might sound like lost clarity, for two reasons:

1.) That will cause relative loss of mid-range, which WILL cause loss of tonal presence (read "cut)

2.) Standing close to the amp those higher frequencies mightn't seem to be present, but at a distance they certainly will be, especially if your cabs have horns in them. This is because low frequencies don't project as consistently as higher frequences in open air, so at range those highs will cut anyway.

Also, as far as making my load-in more... I actually always bring my MB2-500 head with me as a backup anyway (had the power supply module on the MB210 fry on me and had no amp for my gig. So I'd just be adding an additional cabinet, which if light enough, doesn't necessarily have to be an extra trip for load in/out.

christw · #31 01-21-2013, 03:07 PM

Man, I was going to tell you to boost your low mids but on that amp it's at 250 Hz which seems to be boom city to me... (Edit: the bad kind of boom*)

I'd avoid boosting bass on the instrument without a HPF. It's bass boost is centered at 40 Hz which is below the useful range of your combos. The bass control on the amp is centered a little higher at 60 Hz so it might actually be more useful to boost there for your purposes.

Downunderwonder · #32 01-21-2013, 03:22 PM

You have the cabs stacked up vertically?

Mind out for your positioning on stage. 3 to 8ft from the corner kills stuff you're trying to maximise.

I'm not suggesting this is a great idea but putting your rig right back in the corner is one way to get too much bass very easily!

GroovinOnFunk · #33 01-21-2013, 05:39 PM

Yeah, I have them stacked vertically so I can get the speakers as close to my ears as possible.

In one instance, where they wanted more bass (eq, that is) I actually was in the corner.
It's funny, because I've heard a few people tell me that 250hz is perfect to boost for punch. I guess I gotta just play around a little and not be afraid to turn a knob past 2 o'clock.

GroovinOnFunk · #34 01-21-2013, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by christw

I'd avoid boosting bass on the instrument without a HPF. It's bass boost is centered at 40 Hz which is below the useful range of your combos. The bass control on the amp is centered a little higher at 60 Hz so it might actually be more useful to boost there for your purposes.

Very interesting! I was noticing that as I cranked the bass EQ on the stingray itself, it was getting growlier, but not bassier (if that makes sense).

Always been a "set it and forget it" type guy when it comes to the amp, then make tonal changes on the bass or multi-fx pedal I have. I definitely understand why this could be bad... or at least, not very helpful. I'll try giving the bass eq on the amp a boost tomorrow night.

(good news is i'm gigging 3-5 times per week with this band... so plenty of time to test things out)

Downunderwonder · #35 01-21-2013, 06:38 PM

One man's punch is other man's boom. GB7 eq was suggested earlier. Cheap as and appropriate eq.

I've got my doubts your cabs will get louder and punchier funk boosting 60hz, that growl was probably beginnings of farting. 80 to 250 is what you're after to get the punch without boooooom.

GroovinOnFunk · #36 01-22-2013, 05:37 AM

Why are my speakers farting out? they have 400w handling and they're only getting 250w into each set of 210. Now, I know this is one of those "well, it doesn't quite work like that" kind of things, so please feel free to enlighten me.

**CL400Peavey** · #37 01-22-2013, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by GroovinOnFunk

Why are my speakers farting out? they have 400w handling and they're only getting 250w into each set of 210. Now, I know this is one of those "well, it doesn't quite work like that" kind of things, so please feel free to enlighten me.

Those power ratings are when the voice coil melts at 1000hz (or some other non bass frequency). They have little to no bearing on the true mechanically limited power handling. They are actually performing quite well if they are handling as much power as you say.

GroovinOnFunk · #38 01-22-2013, 06:29 AM

Well, tonight I have a gig... Though I won't need to push my amp/speakers as hard. I'll still be wanting some "shake yo booty" lows to bring the funk. I'll just try messing with some knobs to start with before I start spending more money.

Gearhead17 · #39 01-22-2013, 12:06 PM

""I'm also using a stingray which is notorious for not having huge lows""

EVERY Stingray I have tried has plenty of low end 150hz and below. I am confused by this statement.

Sometimes just turning the high end down a bit (3khz to 10khz) will make your ears hear more low end and midrange. Try not boosting the Stingray's bass and treble knobs - just leave them at a neutral position, then try boosting the combo's bass control.

**CL400Peavey** · #40 01-22-2013, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Gearhead17

""I'm also using a stingray which is notorious for not having huge lows""

EVERY Stingray I have tried has plenty of low end 150hz and below. I am confused by this statement.

Sometimes just turning the high end down a bit (3khz to 10khz) will make your ears hear more low end and midrange. Try not boosting the Stingray's bass and treble knobs - just leave them at a neutral position, then try boosting the combo's bass control.

+1

I use a stingray as well with no lack of low end. A good set up (string and pick up height) will help a lot.