Need more bottom in a compact cab

[fatcrabb]

I've been playing Schroeder cabs for the better part of two years now and have been really happy with them, but the other night I was watching my sons band, (he plays an SVT with a 15/10/tweeter cabinet), and the bottom was so heavy I decided to change things up. Jorgs cabs crank, but they arent real big on low end.

I do want to keep it on the compact side. I'm running a GB Shuttle 9.0. Im considering an Acme Low B-2 or a GB NeoX 212T.

Anybody out there used a Shuttle with either one of these cabs?

Thanks!

[RickenBoogie]

Problem is, big bottom means a bigger cab, generally. When you go to a smaller box, you give up that low end.

[billfitzmaurice]

Originally Posted by RickenBoogie

Problem is, big bottom means a bigger cab, generally. When you go to a smaller box, you give up that low end.

+1. Low, efficient, small. Pick any two, but you can't have all three.

[Sundogue]

Originally Posted by billfitzmaurice

+1. Low, efficient, small. Pick any two, but you can't have all three.

Very true. I think an Acme Low B2 would work, but while it is a somewhat small 210 cab (a tad heavy though), with it you only get the Low and Small. Efficient they are not.

[fatcrabb]

Makes perfect sense. Looks like I'm going to have to step up in size.

[lomo]

Give good long consideration to a fEarful type 12/6 or 15/6. With the oomph of your Shuttle 9 IMHO that's your best bet. If you want "off the rack" then my preference would be Epi UL2-115. If you're flush, Accugroove Tri115.

[mrpackerguy]

+1 on Acme Low B2. Great cab.

[SteveC]

I am going through this right now. I have a Genz Benz 6.0-12T and while it is a great combo, I think I want just a little more. Problem is my vehicle doesn't allow for much. Two boosters for the next few years takes out the back seat (no, I don't want to take them in and out) and the trunk is big but not that big - Honda Accord.

I'm pretty sure my head will be a Shuttle 9.0 but I am not as sure about the cab. I was thinking Bergantino HT112ER stack, but not sure if I want to go back to 10's again. Or not. Or maybe a Tri112 or Tri115.

[BigOldHarry]

I get bizarre levels of lows out of my Epi NYC 2x10. I can't explain it, but they really deliver the low freqs.

[rpsands]

You need to decide whether you want big and airy on bottom, or upper bass bump. People tend to quantify both of these things as "huge bottom end" but you never can tell which.

My guess is you mean upper bass bump, if you like that old SVT 1510.

In that case, neither of the two cabinets you suggest will work without substantial eq. Both are very smooth on bottom.

On the upside, the Genz Shuttle 9 has a semi-parametric mid you can use to boost the upper bass, so that's easy. Turn the "mid freq' knob all the way to the left, and the "mid level" up a few notches. Then slowly move the "mid freq" clockwise until you get that bassy tone you want.

I would suggest trying this with your current cabinet before making a switch; Schroeder cabs can really whump in the upper bass if you add it with eq. Their displacement limitations are more down under 100hz.

[Mr. Foxen]

Aphex xciter with Big Bottom will fake you some lows end pretty well.

[fatcrabb]

Thanks for the tip rp. I will try that Friday night.

[Kwesi]

If you'd consider a combo I strongly suggest the Hartke 115C. I was weary of the new HyDrive stuff because it seemed like Hartke was trying REALLY hard - almost too hard - to get the news out there (loads of celebrity testimony, lots of video) but the hype was real. So far I've tried the 115C and the LH1000/HyDrive 4x10 and I'm going to buy one of those very soon. Lots of powerful, focus low end and midrange with clear and defined highs.

Ig you're looking for a cab only I can't suggest the Epifani PS-112 enough. I've had mine for a little more than two years and until I found the Hartke stuff I didn't even want to play through anything else.

[funkboy5]

Aguilar 212

[Punchy810s]

As an alternative to the Aphex Big Bottom Xiter, the "low contour" on a BBE Maximizer brings out some bottom, also -- but you may not like the "scooped EQ in a box" result(centuries old debate here).

[will33]

What do you mean by "boosters"? If you mean booster seats for kids, then they have to stay in there. If this is some sort of a car-mod/racing/show-off/something you spent too much on kinda thing, get rid of it and get a good bass cab.

Good bass cabs get girls...ask anybody

Racey cars only get girls that are either illegal or should be..

[fatcrabb]

I like racey girls.

OW! My wife just wacked me in the head with a rolling pin.

This weekend Im going to try the eq tweak rp suggested. The Schroeder has covered me in darn near every situation, fills the room and takes just about everything the 9.0 throws at it. I'm just not sure I'm going to be able to find a cab that size that can be that loud.

Tweak first.

[lo-freq]

Originally Posted by lomo

Give good long consideration to a fEarful type 12/6 or 15/6. With the oomph of your Shuttle 9 IMHO that's your best bet. If you want "off the rack" then my preference would be Epi UL2-115. If you're flush, Accugroove Tri115.

+1 on the fEarful 12/6 -- they are 8ohm and not real efficient.

Depending on how loud you need to get, I'd think the Shuttle 9 would be a good match -- should cover 80% or more of the gigs most bassists play.

Loud band in big venue or outdoors and no PA support, you'll need more cone displacement and probably more power.

[fatcrabb]

At the risk of sounding like a total idiot, what is a fEarful?

[rpsands]

For the record there is no 12 on the market with more overall efficiency than the 12/6 CAN have. If you use a 6nd410 in the 12/6, it will dominate any 12 on the market, especially if you use a lower crossover frequency and use less attenuation.

And it can take 3x the power of most 12s