Needing advice on an amp... - Page 3

**CL400Peavey** · #41 08-17-2012, 04:14 PM

There is no way around it, you need more speakers with enough power. Its not one or the other. The economical way to survive this is to get them to turn down.

RickenBoogie · #42 08-17-2012, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Kwin Smith

You might get by with just picking out a head with more watts, just to start with. What is the 4x12 that you have rated for?

Re: no one ever needing more than 2x12's...no one ever needs more than 4 strings, either. Right? Sheesh.

Seriously uncalled for. Thanks neighbor. 2 guitarists with 812's each is more than enough for a stadium show. A 50 watt 212 guitar combo can get louder than anyone would ever need be. The op needs ample wattage, and alot of spkrs, but matched cabs. Not 810's for mids/highs and the 412 for lows. But this war really has no winner.

will33 · #43 08-17-2012, 05:42 PM

I didn't read this whole thread, just your first post.

Your rig is loud enough for any playing situation.

If the guitarists won't turn down, leave the band and leave it now.

No smilies, no jokes here. I am serious.

If you keep this up, you will never be able to enjoy music in your later years. You won't know what people are saying to you, not even your own kids or grandkids. Your life will be nothing but misery.

You only get one pair of ears, they have to last you for life. NO band is worth going deaf over.

Your guitarists are nothing but worthless dumbasses. They can either growup or find a new bass player. You're better than that.

slap5string · #44 08-17-2012, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RickenBoogie

Seriously uncalled for. Thanks neighbor. 2 guitarists with 812's each is more than enough for a stadium show. A 50 watt 212 guitar combo can get louder than anyone would ever need be. The op needs ample wattage, and alot of spkrs, but matched cabs. Not 810's for mids/highs and the 412 for lows. But this war really has no winner.

+10000000
There is no end to this sort of volume war. As soon as you try to get louder - so will they. Unfortunately, no matter what size room, the more spl's and sound waves you introduce to your practice space, the more issues youre going to have. Its quite possible youre plenty loud enough but are being masked by the dual guitars and the thud of the mic'd drums reflecting off the walls and slamming back into your outgoing signal If you guys are serious about being tight and locking in your rythym, then you should be just loud enough to hear all the nuances and be able to communicate w each other. But if you just wanna thrash and shake the walls, then rock on!

dukey donkey · #45 08-20-2012, 12:09 PM

devestating news... I pulled a speker to check for a wattage rating... my beautiful GK vintage cab is loaded with 4.. are you ready...? ... 4 Radio Shack 12" speakers... 50w rms and 8ohms each... I wanted to set the whole thing on fire... looks like I need some new speakers. That would explain a severe lack of performance in my rig... anyone know of some good, inexpensive 12's? I'm wanting some 16 ohm ones rated somewhere around 200w rms...

**CL400Peavey** · #46 08-20-2012, 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dukey donkey

devestating news... I pulled a speker to check for a wattage rating... my beautiful GK vintage cab is loaded with 4.. are you ready...? ... 4 Radio Shack 12" speakers... 50w rms and 8ohms each... I wanted to set the whole thing on fire... looks like I need some new speakers. That would explain a severe lack of performance in my rig... anyone know of some good, inexpensive 12's? I'm wanting some 16 ohm ones rated somewhere around 200w rms...

No sense in replacing the speakers. For what it would cost you to do so, you would be in the same range as buying a different cab.

With your budget, buy a used 412 or 810.

lburton2 · #47 08-20-2012, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CL400Peavey

No sense in replacing the speakers. For what it would cost you to do so, you would be in the same range as buying a different cab.

With your budget, buy a used 412 or 810.

what he said. again.

dukey donkey · #48 08-20-2012, 12:33 PM

well, I'm really in love with the 412 sound... any recommendations for a cab that'll run me less than 500?

**CL400Peavey** · #49 08-20-2012, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by dukey donkey

well, I'm really in love with the 412 sound... any recommendations for a cab that'll run me less than 500?

Speaker size has nothing to do with how a cab sounds. Different speaker sound different, because they are different in many more ways than their diameter.

Go out and play through as many cabs as you can. Then find the one you like best, find it use, and for a decent price.

groovaholic · #50 08-20-2012, 12:59 PM

The 50-watt Radio Shack speakers are probably consumer WOOFERS, and they are much less efficient and more bassy than the drivers you'd see in a bass guitar cab.

If you LIKE that sound, you COULD find some efficient 12" woofers. You might get a 10-12dB improvement and spend $400-$800 doing it.

But I don't think GK made a 412 for bass until recently, so it's likely that your cab was intended for guitar -- as such, it is probably too small to produce the kind of low end that would register against sixteen 12" speakers and a mic'ed kick drum.

As CL400Peavey has said (trust him, he has GREAT taste in amps) you're better off starting from ground zero.

With a $2K budget, you could score a used 810 (Peavey 810TX are LOUD), another used 810 or a used 215 or 218 PA sub, and a decent power amp to run it all to unholy volumes.

Look for the cabs locally (Craigslist, Music Go Round, etc) and look at eBay or Guitar Center used gear page for a newer power amp; the QSC PLX series is good, as is the Peavey IPR and the Crown XLS. Get the most wattage you can afford.

The Kustom Deep End stuff is cool sounding; keep it as a preamp until you find something you like better.

Just for fun, I briefly ran my Peavey Classic 400 into two Sunn 410 cabs and a Peavey 810TX -- it was loud and bassy enough to make stuff levitate.

With your GK -- sell it as an unloaded cab or pick up a quad of inexpensive guitar speakers, install them, and trade it in for something bass-appropriate.

**CL400Peavey** · #51 08-20-2012, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by groovaholic

The 50-watt Radio Shack speakers are probably consumer WOOFERS, and they are much less efficient and more bassy than the drivers you'd see in a bass guitar cab.

If you LIKE that sound, you COULD find some efficient 12" woofers. You might get a 10-12dB improvement and spend $400-$800 doing it.

But I don't think GK made a 412 for bass until recently, so it's likely that your cab was intended for guitar -- as such, it is probably too small to produce the kind of low end that would register against sixteen 12" speakers and a mic'ed kick drum.

As CL400Peavey has said (trust him, he has GREAT taste in amps) you're better off starting from ground zero.

With a $2K budget, you could score a used 810 (Peavey 810TX are LOUD), another used 810 or a used 215 or 218 PA sub, and a decent power amp to run it all to unholy volumes.

Look for the cabs locally (Craigslist, Music Go Round, etc) and look at eBay or Guitar Center used gear page for a newer power amp; the QSC PLX series is good, as is the Peavey IPR and the Crown XLS. Get the most wattage you can afford.

The Kustom Deep End stuff is cool sounding; keep it as a preamp until you find something you like better.

Just for fun, I briefly ran my Peavey Classic 400 into two Sunn 410 cabs and a Peavey 810TX -- it was loud and bassy enough to make stuff levitate.

With your GK -- sell it as an unloaded cab or pick up a quad of inexpensive guitar speakers, install them, and trade it in for something bass-appropriate.

I have suspected that his 412 was a guitar cab from the get go.

To the OP is the cab you have sealed? I bet that it is. In the case that it is, I would be checking out Ampeg 810e's. They are also a sealed cab, and may give you the sound you like out of your current cab. If one of those doesnt suit you tonally, I would check out a Peavey 810TX or a SWR 810. A ported cab will give you more low end, but it will be up to your ears to tell you if thats what you want tonally.

dukey donkey · #52 08-25-2012, 05:14 PM

here's a pic of the aforementioned cab...

dukey donkey · #53 08-25-2012, 05:17 PM

its crossfiring btw...

dukey donkey · #54 08-25-2012, 05:20 PM

I've been thinking about checking out a Peavey 412 TVX ... anyone have experience with it?

dukeorock · #55 08-25-2012, 05:43 PM

Seems like at the volume you want, a taller cab to get some mids and highs up closer to ear level could be helpful...?

cbyrd2200 · #56 08-25-2012, 05:56 PM

At the volume you're playing at, if it were me, I feel like any type of Solid state amp whatsoever would be like shooting yourself in the foot. I play an SVT-CL (which I know some people don't like) but with it and other tube amps, I feel like I'm free of that "Gain past 6=overdrive" problem. Put a nice sounding tube amp on a high rated power power amp through 2 matching 8X10's. I couldn't imagine that being anything but loud enough to drown you're guitarists in pure bass.