The NEO Deal is Real, Got my TB153, Now What About...?

[Slackerprince]

I had been sitting on the fence with a cabinet decision and decided to go with the Avatar TB153, and power it with a Genz Streamliner 600.
I e-mailed Dave at Avatar and asked if I could squeeze-out the introductory price of $399 for the cab (worth a shot), and he e-mailed back that, not only could he no longer offer that price, but with the NEO pricing going up, the TB153 will be at $449 until this Friday, then it will be going up next week. We had a long discussion about it and he may have to go back to ceramic or get his NEO's from Celestion, which has a different import cost, pricing, etc...
So, I was going to trade-in my GK MB210 to MF, which of course has 2 NEO speakers in it, to get my Streamliner 600. I was sure to take a hit on trade-in, but thought I could work some other discount to offset the hit.
Now, I'm thinking of sitting on the amp to see how the NEO thing plays out.
Sorry for the long post, but thought I'd give people a heads-up on the Avatar pricing and ask what I should do with my GK.
Thanks!


S

[rpsands]

You'll do a LOT better selling the MB210 in the classifieds than trading to GC. Guaranteed.

Lucky to get 250 from GC for it.

[Slackerprince]

I'm thinking about boxing it and sitting on it for a little. I hear you about the trade-in rip-off.
I'm wondering if the retail pricing on those amps will be going up because of the NEO scare.

S

[mntngrown]

It will make reconing Neos feasible.
Glad I got my 3015lf cab when I did.

[rpsands]

Originally Posted by Slackerprince

I'm thinking about boxing it and sitting on it for a little. I hear you about the trade-in rip-off.
I'm wondering if the retail pricing on those amps will be going up because of the NEO scare.

S

It's basically like spinning the roulette wheel at this point to try to make a buck based on value of existing used neo speakers.

[Jim Campbell]

Originally Posted by Slackerprince

I had been sitting on the fence with a cabinet decision and decided to go with the Avatar TB153, and power it with a Genz Streamliner 600.
I e-mailed Dave at Avatar and asked if I could squeeze-out the introductory price of $399 for the cab (worth a shot), and he e-mailed back that, not only could he no longer offer that price, but with the NEO pricing going up, the TB153 will be at $449 until this Friday, then it will be going up next week. We had a long discussion about it and he may have to go back to ceramic or get his NEO's from Celestion, which has a different import cost, pricing, etc...
So, I was going to trade-in my GK MB210 to MF, which of course has 2 NEO speakers in it, to get my Streamliner 600. I was sure to take a hit on trade-in, but thought I could work some other discount to offset the hit.
Now, I'm thinking of sitting on the amp to see how the NEO thing plays out.
Sorry for the long post, but thought I'd give people a heads-up on the Avatar pricing and ask what I should do with my GK.
Thanks!


S

is saving a few pounds of magnet really that big a deal.....other materials weigh more but sound good,so why worry about high neo prices....

[madbassplaya]

Originally Posted by Jim Campbell

is saving a few pounds of magnet really that big a deal.....other materials weigh more but sound good,so why worry about high neo prices....

this is my thinking as well.

[Slackerprince]

Dave at Avatar said the difference between a Neo speaker is 7 pounds compared to a 30 pound ceramic.
Pretty considerable difference.

[IntrepidCellist]

Originally Posted by Slackerprince

Dave at Avatar said the difference between a Neo speaker is 7 pounds compared to a 30pound ceramic.
Pretty considerable difference.

Yeah, the 3015LF is a fraction of the weight of pretty much any similar-sized ceramic or alnico driver.

[mntngrown]

I could still handle a fridge but my wife can't lift a dictionary with her disabilities. Check the nidacore fEarful build thread.
Some folks will pay for weight reduction.

[greenboy]

Many of the best drivers for various purposes don't have non-neo counterparts. In audio neodymium also includes headphones and microphones and anything using motorized controls, ferinstance.

And what about those cellphones? ; }

[xjeremiahx]

Originally Posted by Slackerprince

I'm thinking about boxing it and sitting on it for a little. I hear you about the trade-in rip-off.


S

We're a business. We're here to make money, not to pay you exactly what your gear is worth. That's what I'll sell it at...so I can make a profit. Simple selling practices my friend. No rip off here.

Just sayin...

[BurningSkies]

Originally Posted by greenboy

Many of the best drivers for various purposes don't have non-neo counterparts. In audio neodymium also includes headphones and microphones and anything using motorized controls, ferinstance.

And what about those cellphones? ; }

Lets talk about TV's too. Neo Magnets in flat panel Televisions. Y'all could be watching one of these babies soon:

[BurningSkies]

Originally Posted by xjeremiahx

We're a business. We're here to make money, not to pay you exactly what your gear is worth. That's what I'll sell it at...so I can make a profit. Simple selling practices my friend. No rip off here.

Just sayin...

Quit talkin' reality. We'll have none of that here.

[stflbn]

Speculator's gonna speculate. And prices go up. As soon as everyone starts investing in mineral related stocks and those and tech stocks go up they'll dump their stock and prices will go back down some.

but until then... I guess the sky will continue falling.

[Slackerprince]

Originally Posted by xjeremiahx

We're a business. We're here to make money, not to pay you exactly what your gear is worth. That's what I'll sell it at...so I can make a profit. Simple selling practices my friend. No rip off here.

Just sayin...

Woh, sorry dude.
Maybe rip-off was too harsh a term, and for that I apologize, because I've always had a good experience, overall, with GC/MF, but we'll see what they come up with. I e-mailed my info.
All I know is, my amp is mint as mint gets, and I've seen Condition 1 at $100 less than retail for items around $600. I also wrote that I would be dealing with MF, but I guess you're family, so if you mess with family... Sorry.
Did I make nice o.k.?

S

[rpsands]

Rip-off is absolutely not too strong of a term. GC buys stuff at 40-50% of what they expect to sell it for. None of their other stuff has that kind of markup.

True, there's no guarantee they'll sell it at the price they intend, but even so.

What kicks me is if you trade something in, they give you roughly the same amount as they would cash! So they get the markup on selling your gear, in addition to whatever markup was on the new item you purchase.

If they weren't so crappy at judging what will sell and for how much, they wouldn't have to stick it to people with stuff that's actually resellable, like Slackerprince's combo. Too busy wasting GC's money paying the same ratio for 15 year old 4x10s and beat to crap CIC basses no one wants.

[Slackerprince]

Originally Posted by rpsands

Rip-off is absolutely not too strong of a term. GC buys stuff at 40-50% of what they expect to sell it for. None of their other stuff has that kind of markup.

True, there's no guarantee they'll sell it at the price they intend, but even so.

What kicks me is if you trade something in, they give you roughly the same amount as they would cash! So they get the markup on selling your gear, in addition to whatever markup was on the new item you purchase.

If they weren't so crappy at judging what will sell and for how much, they wouldn't have to stick it to people with stuff that's actually resellable, like Slackerprince's combo. Too busy wasting GC's money paying the same ratio for 15 year old 4x10s and beat to crap CIC basses no one wants.

Thanks, RP.
I just don't like stepping on other member's toes.
It'll be interesting to see what MF offers me on a mint $600 amp.

S

[mntngrown]

Market forces are what they are. If you put item x, (cab/bass/amp head etc) on craigs,TB and Evilbay and it does not sell the market is telling you sumpin.

[amos]

Sigh, won't be able to buy my new cabs until this summer. Hopefully the prices will stay somewhat stable until then.